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Pakistan Losing More Young Officers to Homegrown Terrorists than to India

Discussion in 'International Relations' started by Lion of Rajputana, Nov 28, 2017.

  1. Lion of Rajputana

    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Pakistan’s own terror brew killing its young army officers, not India
    MANU PUBBY 28 November, 2017

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    A funeral of one of the soldiers who died recently | Source: @DGISPR
    Pakistan Army has lost as many young officers along the Western border this year as it lost in 2002 to accidents and shelling from India.

    New Delhi: The Pakistan Army has been fast losing its young officers to homegrown terror on the Western border, replacing operations on the Indian side as the primary cause for casualties.

    In what is now a continuing pattern, a series of recent encounters in which young officers – from newly commissioned lieutenants to combat experienced majors – have fallen took place on the restive western frontier.

    The latest was 28-year-old Major Ishaq, who died in Dera Ismail Khan on Wednesday, days after Captain Junaid Hafeez lost his life to a cross-border attack by terrorists from Afghanistan. A total of 11 young officers of the Pakistani Army have died in such operations this year, according to official data with the Pakistani Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR).

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    Some of the officers of the Pakistan Army who have been killed in 2017 | @DGISPR
    In sharp contrast, a comparison of casualties of young officers before home-grown terror became a problem for Pakistan shows that most of its losses were on the India border. Official Pakistani Army data on casualties accessed by ThePrint shows that in 2002 also, 11 young officers were killed during service.

    However, most of these were attributed to either shelling from India or accidents in difficult areas like the Siachen Glacier and other mountainous border posts. Three captains and a major are listed as having being killed due to `snow slides’ while a captain died after falling down from a mountain. Yet another captain died due to dehydration at a high altitude post.

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    Official data on Pakistani casualties was collated from the Pakistani Army site, before it was taken off a few years ago, apparently as it exposed its list of soldiers killed in the Kargil operations. Young officers are crucial to successful operations – leading from the front to muster troops to take on hard to hit targets. Indian anti-terror operations too hinge on youngsters who lead small strike groups into action.

    It was only after the US invasion of Afghanistan in late 2001 post the 9/11 attacks that the Pakistani Army got actively involved in fighting on its Western Frontier. The first casualties listed in 2002 on the Western Front were under Operation Al Mizan (Justice).

    A paper in the Journal of the Research Society of Pakistan (JRSP) describes the objective of the operation to clear South Waziristan of “militants, extremists and the jihadists especially of those international militants who had threatened Pakistan’s security, solidarity and sovereign status.”

    Taking on a fight for the American cause, in return of which the Pakistani Army received considerable funds and equipment under Washington’s foreign military assistance pact, the operation was designed as a supporting tool. Since then, continued operations under different names have taken place on Pakistan’s western border.

    “The Operation Al-Mizan was aimed to capture the master mind and operatives of these terrorist organizations making plan to deepen its roots in the PATA and FATA regions. These terrorists had begun their offences not only against Pakistan army but targeted the US and NATO forces, as they attacked the US fire bases, on the Pak-Afghan border,” the JSRP paper reads.

    Original Link: https://theprint.in/2017/11/28/pak-army-fast-losing-young-home-grown-terror-11-dead-year/
     
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    Not losing enough , in my opinion .They're nearly a half a million strong army . They can afford this rate if attrition.
     
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    That's just the amount admitted, I'm sure the real rate is higher. But agreed, no amount of Pakistani deaths is enough. I firmly believe that India ought to start funding/arming these groups in limited amounts, and should also start gradually introducing more sophisticated weaponry to groups creating trouble for Pakistan like TTP.

    Slowly introducing limited amounts of "game changing" weapons like shoulder launched anti-aircraft missiles, anti-tank missiles, GPS mortars etc. can and should be done (take some pages out of the CIA/Israeli playbook in arming the Mujhaideen).
     
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    Now all the radicals have taken over pork. And these headchoppers are related family to the pork military. So they have two options either kill each other or just blow up pork. Sit back and watch the fun:troll:
     
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    There's an unwritten rule against supplying MANPADS and other such sensitive equipment even among countries as antagonistic as India and Pakistan. I believe in the early 1990's the Afghan element in the valley were armed with Stingers - a carryover from their fight in Afghanistan against the former SU. They were neutralised by the IA with some assistance by the US and Pakistan. That took a few months or a few years during which all civilian airliners in Srinagar were escorted by the IAF. After that there were meetings between the ISI and RAW on how to avoid such situations and a SOP was laid down .The details escape me as I read this Long ago . Perhaps @Hellfire would be able to share the precise information regarding those events .
     
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    The ISI itself did not allow the introduction of MANPADS into the valley. It was more to do with the aim of keeping the threshold to a level wherein India did not resort to a conventional war to settle the score.

    MANPADs would have been a level that could have crossed Indian threshold, and Pakistan had only 3 devices at the time and were conventionally way inferior to the Indian Army.

    The IAF escort (Mig-29s) was done till 1997, and a crash of Mig-21 near Avantipur in that time was initally thought to have been from a MANPAD. However, they were found to be untrue.

    It was a misidentification of RPG by someone if I recall corrctly.

    Although, incidences of firing of RPG at helicopters have been reported, but they have been isolated and far apart.

    IMO, Pakistan can not risk introduction of MANPADS or ATGMS in valley, that will cause a reaction that will seriously undermine their interests.
     
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