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Pakistan Sentences Kulbhushan Jadhav to Death

Discussion in 'International Relations' started by Lion of Rajputana, Apr 10, 2017.

  1. A_poster

    A_poster Captain FULL MEMBER

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    I do not think personal security would be of much help for an ISI agent 6 km from Indian border. India could send an army (without announcing) at that distance due to nature of open border. Whether he was captured from Lumbini or not, he certainly was operating from there.
     
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    I am yet to find ONE Pakistani with a shred of honesty. Have you?

    They just live in an environment of mob mentality, hatred and intimidation. But what bothers me most is their intellectual inferiority when it comes to discussing anything "normal".
     
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    I have...... Hafees Seed.. ..He is very honest in his intention..... spread terror in India
     
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    And even HE lies about it to his Pakistani audience while all of them wink and do high fives.

    Anyway I have given up any hope of reconciliation with that intellectually inferior race.
     
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    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    Spy row: Kulbhushan Jadhav’s sentencing can spark covert war, says Pakistani daily
    Published April 12, 2017
    SOURCE: IANS

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    Pakistan’s decision to sentence to death an alleged Indian spy can spark “a new, highly destabilizing round of covert actions” by both countries, a Pakistani daily warned on Wednesday. Another newspaper wondered if the Pakistani military had been hasty in deciding to execute Kulbhushan Jadhav on charges of espionage and waging war against Islamabad.

    Spy wars between India and Pakistan erupt occasionally, the Dawn said in an editorial. “But Jadhav’s case is far beyond routine action and could herald a new, highly destabilizing round of covert actions by one country against the other’s security and intelligence apparatus,” it added.

    The Dawn hoped that back-channel communications or third-party interventions would help India and Pakistan to quickly de-escalate tensions on Jadhav — and establish new rules on spycraft.

    India has warned that if Jadhav was executed, it would amount to premeditated murder.

    The sentencing of Jadhav, who Pakistan claims was arrested in Balochistan last year, had sent the “already troubled India-Pakistan relationship into deep uncertainty”, the Dawn said.

    And despite Jadhav’s conviction, “there remain many unanswered questions”, it added.

    The Daily Times wondered whether Pakistani authorities had procured all information from Jadhav “or whether they have been hasty in deciding to execute him”.

    Jadhav’s arrest and sentencing “is a reminder that the deadly proxy wars these two neighbours like to engage in are likely to continue for the foreseeable future.

    “It is high time both sides to an end to such manoeuvrings and draw up a new outline to work on the prospect of establishing peaceful relations.”

    Pakistani routinely accuses India of fomenting trouble in Balochistan and Karachi. New Delhi has for years accused Islamabad of funding and supporting terrorist groups in India, including in Jammu and Kashmir
     
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    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    My info on Jadhav was based on reliable sources: German diplomat Gunter Mulack
    Published April 12, 2017
    SOURCE: TNN

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    Senior German diplomat Gunter Mulack, who was last year quoted as having declared that Indian national Kulbhushan Jadhav was abducted by Taliban, has said his observation was based on what he heard from his reliable sources.

    Mulack, however, also added a rider saying that it was possible his conclusion was wrong. Mulack has been widely quoted by the media as having seconded India’s position that Jadhav was abducted from another country before he was brought to Balochistan by Pakistan authorities.

    Replying to a query from TOI, Mulack said on Wednesday that his information was based on speculation from reliable sources.

    “Well, that was an unconfirmed speculation from reliable sources which I cannot identify, nor confirm. Maybe it is not true,” said Mulack.

    “I hope that through political negotiations this case can be solved in a positive way,” he added.

    Mulack, who has served as German ambassador in several Middle-East countries, heads the German Orient Institute in Berlin.

    India has all along maintained that Jadhav was abducted from Iran and brought to Balochistan where, according to Pakistan, he promoted terrorist activities. As many, including union home minister Rajnath Singh, have said, Jadhav wouldn’t have had an Indian passport on him, if he really was an Indian spy.

    Mulack’s remark last year was made at Karachi in a seminar, Crisis in Middle East – A German Perspective, barely a week after Pakistan announced Jadhav’s arrest.

    “The person who is being presented as an Indian spy was actually apprehended by Taliban years ago, and is now sold off to Islamabad. However, the case is in favour of Pakistan since India has accepted that he was a member of Indian Navy,” he was quoted as having told a news channel later. The government had accepted that Jadhav was an Indian national but also said that he had retired from Indian Navy years ago.

    According to Mulack, Pakistan’s military establishment raised the issue of Jadhav to prevent PM Narendra Modi and his counterpart Nawaz Sharif from restarting the peace process.

    Mulack, however, did not comment on Pakistan’s decision to suddenly sentence Jadhav to death.


    Defying international norms, Pakistan has refused to even grant Indian high commission in Islamabad consular access to Jadhav. In fact, it has demanded that India help probe its allegations against senior Indian officials who, it claims, helped Jadhav support terrorism in Balochistan.

    India believes that by denying it consular access to Jadhav, Pakistan acted in violation of Vienna Convention on Consular relations which says that “consular officers shall have the right to visit a national of the sending state (India) who is in prison, custody or detention, to converse and correspond with him and to arrange for his legal representation”.

    Mulack also told the media last year that Pakistan army had responded through Jadhav to undermine Pakistan PM Nawaz Sharif’s attempt to probe the involvement of Pakistan nationals in the Pathankot attack.

    “Although I disagree with both Modi and Sharif on a range of their policies, I absolutely credit them for attempting to normalize the relations between India and Pakistan. They represent the aspirations of peace-loving people across the borders,” he had then said.
     
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    Pakistan is living in a fool's paradise if it thinks a country with 10 times the economy, military and the political will to back it, won't respond.

    P.S. Hello World! My first post.
     
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    Welcome!

    Kudos on "Hello World"
     
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    They know we will. They welcome it. India may be 10 times big but we r not interested in war as we have nothing to gain. They know their main issues are internal and their rulers want to keep milking their people. Best safest easiest way is to use India to unite and control people. This strategy is old but was systematically reinstalled by Rahil Sharif.

    As to human cost, they truly don't care. Beghairat people have been selling their people as prisoners and mercenaries to the highest bidder for decades.
     
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    A man of his stature will very well know the rules of engagement in a spy war. There country was the epicenter of a spy war for more then 40 years. East and West Germany have witnessed some of the most intense covert actions in the history of mankind.
    Hello!
    Bhelcome to the Indian Defence Forum..
     
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    Pak. not to yield to India on Jadhav
    Published April 13, 2017
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    Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and powerful Army chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa on Wednesday agreed not to come under any pressure on the issue of Indian national Kulbhushan Jadhav, sentenced to death on charges of spying, according to a media report.

    Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Bajwa met Mr. Sharif and took the Prime Minister into confidence regarding the issue of Mr. Jadhav, Samaa TV reported.

    “They agreed not to come under any pressure” on the issue of Jadhav, the channel said.

    The meeting comes two days after the Army chief approved the execution of Mr. Jadhav after a military court sentenced him to death for “espionage and sabotage activities”, evoking a sharp reaction from India which warned Islamabad to consider the consequences on bilateral ties if he is hanged.

    External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj on Tuesday made a statement in both the Houses of Parliament, asserting that India will go “out of the way” to ensure justice to Mr. Jadhav who is an “innocent kidnapped Indian.”

    She said, Mr. Jadhav’s execution will be taken by India as a “pre-meditated murder.” Ms. Swaraj said Mr. Jadhav was doing business in Iran and the charges against him were ‘concocted.’
     
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    US, Amnesty, Pakistan groups back India on Kulbhushan Jadhav

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    DIPANJAN ROY CHAUDHURY
    NEW DELHI: Pakistan Army's decision to execute alleged Indian spy Kulbhushan Jadhav seems to have found little support globally. Not only has Amnesty International slammed the decision but also the civil rights groups within Pakistan.

    Top US think-tanks have questioned the secrecy of trial and the US NSA visit here next weekend is expected to see some plain speak by India on its ties with Pakistan, hinted people familiar with the developments.

    Neighbouring Iran, from where Jadhav has been doing business for over a decade, had earlier snubbed Islamabad for its attempt to drive a wedge between New Delhi and Tehran using the so called "spy card".

    Iran has not supported Pakistan in the ongoing episode. "The death sentence given to Kulbushan Jadhav shows yet again how Pakistan's military court system rides roughshod over international standards," said Biraj Patnaik, South Asia director of Amnesty International.

    "What the Pakistan Army has done is to embarrass both the Sharif and the Modi governments," said a civil activist from Pakistan. Yet another Pak activist described the decision of the military court as a sham and Pakistan military may be using this to seek concessions from Delhi after feeling the pressure over India's growing support in West Asia and strong opposition to the China-Pakistan-Economic-Corridor.

    Officials also referred to the successful visit of Bangladesh PM Sheih Hasina and momentum in BIMSTEC process as factors that have further isolated Pakistan within the South Asian region. There is also an opinion that China may have influenced Pak decision after the Dalai Lama's visit to Arunachal.

    Read more at:
    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
     
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    'Can Kiss Goodbye To India-Pak Dialogue': US Experts Say On Kulbhushan Jadhav
    All India | Press Trust of India | Updated: April 12, 2017 10:58 IST

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    Kulbhushan Jadhav, 46, was awarded the death sentence by a Pakistani military court.

    WASHINGTON:
    HIGHLIGHTS
    1. Jadhav was sentenced to death by Pak military court on April 10
    2. India says Jadhav was kidnapped in Iran, where he ran a business
    3. India has slammed the death sentence as "an indefensible verdict"

    Top US experts have expressed concern over Indian national Kulbhushan Jadhav's death sentence in Pakistan as they warned that Islamabad wants to send a "strong message" to India against isolating it on the world stage.

    Mr Jadhav, 46, was sentenced to death by Pakistani military Field General Court Martial, which convicted him of terrorism and espionage. India has alleged that Mr Jadhav, a former navy officer, was kidnapped in Iran, where he ran a business, and falsely accused of spying.

    "Apart from the gross irregularities in the Jadhav situation, such as the lack of consular access and the secrecy surrounding the surprise court-martial, what struck me the most is the contrast between the speed of Mr Jadhav's trial set against the endless postponements for that of the Mumbai attackers," Alyssa Ayres, a former senior State Department official in its South and Central Asia Bureau said.

    "The latter case, by contrast, has been in a continual state of prolongation for nearly nine years," Ms Ayres told Press Trust of India. She is currently senior fellow for India, Pakistan and South Asia at the Council on Foreign Relations, a top American think-tank.


    Bharat Gopalaswamy, director of South Asia Center at the Atlantic Council, a Washington-DC based top US think-tank, believes that the evidence warranting Jadhav's conviction "is rather flimsy" and the story by the Pakistani authorities "do not add up".


    Without further evidence, this conviction "seems to be politically motivated" in order to counter India's aggressive diplomacy against Pakistan in combating terrorism, he said.

    "This whole story is shrouded in mystery and uncertainty, but it seems clear that Pakistan wants to send a very strong message to India, whether to warn New Delhi against meddling in Pakistan or to push back in a big way against India's efforts to isolate Pakistan on the world stage," said Michael Kugelman, deputy director and senior associate for South Asia at the prestigious Woodrow Wilson Center.


    "At the same time, given how much India will want to ensure that Yadav isn't executed, Pakistan now has a very large bargaining chip at its disposal. Pakistan may want to use Jadhav as a trump card to get some type of major concession from India," Mr Kugelman said.

    "The bottom line is that India-Pakistan relations are on life support. We can kiss goodbye any immediate prospects for resuming dialogue, though that wasn't a very strong possibility even before the announcement about Jadhav's death sentence. Ultimately, India and Pakistan face some very dark and dangerous days ahead," he said.

    According to Sameer Lalwani, senior associate and deputy director for Stimson's South Asia programme, said the decision and timing of Jadhav's execution sentence "appears puzzling" because in many ways it does not seem to work in Pakistan's self-interest.

    "If Jadhav posed a threat and Pakistan wanted to send a deterrent signal to potential saboteurs of CPEC and Gwadar, they could have executed him months ago after his intelligence value had been exhausted," Mr Lalwani said.

    Both the State Department and the White House refused to comment on the sentencing of Jadhav.

    "We have seen these reports. We refer you to the governments of India and Pakistan for further information," a State Department spokesperson said

    http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-e...decision-to-execute-kulbhushan-jadhav-1680263
     
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    Officials added that more than 265 Pakistani nationals are currently in Indian jails.

    [​IMG]According to data available with the government, nearly two dozen Pakistan nationals caught on charges of smuggling were sent back to Pakistan in 2016 and 2017. (Representational image)
    As many as 30 Pakistan nationals facing charges of spying are languishing in Indian jails but none has been denied consular access whenever sought or sentenced to death penalty so far, said top South Block officials as relations between India and Pakistan hit a new low over a Pakistani military court awarding death penalty to former Indian Navy official Kulbhushan Jadhav.

    Officials added that more than 265 Pakistani nationals are currently in Indian jails. New Delhi has allowed consular access to them but Pakistan disowned them, they said. In 2015, a Lashkar-e-Toiba militant Mohammad Naved was arrested after an attack on a BSF convoy. He is facing trial before an NIA court in Jammu. However, Pakistan has refused to accept him as their national, said an official.

    According to data available with the government, nearly two dozen Pakistan nationals caught on charges of smuggling were sent back to Pakistan in 2016 and 2017.

    From 2014 to 2016, more than 250 Pakistani nationals were deported, according to a reply by Minister of State for Home Kiren Rijiju in Parliament.

    Pakistan executed Indian national Sheikh Shamim in 1999. In 2013, another Indian national Sarabjit Singh, who was sentenced to death for spying in Pakistan, died in jail after being attacked by fellow inmates.

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    Give us Kulbhushan Jadhav chargesheet, consular access: India to Pakistan
    Pakistan claimed that the death sentence was based on “credible” and “specific” evidence.

    [​IMG]Kulbhushan Jadhav. (File Photo)
    Stepping up its efforts to secure the release of Kulbhushan Jadhav, who has been sentenced to death by a military court in Pakistan on charges of spying, India Friday demanded certified copies of the chargesheet in the case and sought consular access to the former navy officer. Pakistan claimed that the death sentence was based on “credible” and “specific” evidence.

    Following a meeting with Pakistan Foreign Secretary Tehmina Janjua, India’s High Commissioner in Islamabad Gautam Bambawale said, “I have asked for a certified copy of the chargesheet as well as the judgment in the death sentence of Kulbhushan Jadhav. They have denied our request for consular access 13 times. I have again requested the Pakistan Foreign Secretary to give access to Jadhav so that we can appeal.”

    The latest development came on a day when Union Home Minister Rajnath Singh said in Kolkata that the government would do whatever required to get justice for Jadhav. In Mumbai, Minister of State for External Affairs General V K Singh described Pakistan’s charges against Jadhav as “fictitious”.

    However, Sartaj Aziz, the Pakistan Prime Minister’s Advisor on Foreign Affairs, claimed that due process of law was followed in Jadhav’s trial and accused India of aggravating the situation.

    In a media briefing, Aziz claimed that Jadhav was responsible for several acts of terrorism, including killings of members of Pakistan’s Shia minority, and bombings in Quetta, Gwadar and Turbat.

    However, Pakistan’s military public-relations service had said earlier this week that the court-martial that sentenced Jadhav tried him under Section 3 of the Official Secrets Act, 1923. The Act, which deals only with espionage rather than violent crimes, allows for the death penalty to be imposed for spies who gather “information which is calculated to be or might be or is intended to be, directly or indirectly, useful to an enemy”.

    In a statement, Aziz said that the first FIR against Jadhav was lodged on April 8, 2016, by the local police’s counter terrorism department in Quetta, the capital of Balochistan. He said that a detailed trial was held and all relevant laws, including the recording of Jadhav’s statement before a magistrate, were followed. Jadhav was also provided legal assistance, he said.

    ”Kulbhushan Jadhav, who is responsible for espionage, sabotage and terrorism in Pakistan, has been tried according to the law of the land, in a fully transparent manner while preserving his rights, as per the Constitution of Pakistan,” said Aziz.

    “His sentence is based on credible, specific evidence proving his involvement in espionage and terrorist activities in Pakistan,” said Aziz.
    “I would like to ask India why Kulbhushan Jadhav was using a fake identity impersonating as a Muslim? Why would an innocent man possess two passports, one with a
    Hindu name and another with a Muslim name?” said Aziz.

    Pakistan has claimed that its security forces arrested Jadhav from the restive Balochistan province on March 3, 2016, after he reportedly entered the area from Iran. It also claimed that he was “a serving officer in the Indian Navy.” India has said that Jadhav had served with the navy but denied that he has any connection with the government.

    Speaking to reporters in Kolkata, Rajnath Singh said, “The government will do whatever is required to get justice for Kulbhusan Jadav… I do not believe that he was given a proper trial,” he said.

    In Mumbai, V K Singh said, “India has said clearly that Pakistan’s claim that Kulbhushan Jadhav is a spy is fictitious. No spy goes to another country with his own passport.”

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