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Discussion in 'South Asia & SAARC' started by tariqkhan18, Apr 14, 2010.

  1. Inactive

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    The encouragement can only be from the civil society itself - they have the most to loose from the present trajectory that the nation is on. Coercion will play a role along that. I predict economic sanctions on Pakistan sometime down the line.

    The rationale for my logic remains what I have been predicting since Aug - Sept last year - China - CPEC-South China Sea.
     
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    Interestingly I have watched several documentaries about Talibans in Afghanistan and noted that Quetta (and nearby areas) are regarded as highly prestigious for training and logistic support , and those that returned from there (both native Pakistani and Afghan) are seen as superior to normal militants. They are often given higher rankings. Evern otherwise trusted local(journalist) was not allowed to interview them.
     
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    And as long as that unfortunate state of affairs exists, no meaningful change can be expected in Pakistan's policies, stated and de facto.

    That is why there is a war being waged on caging up what remains of civil society in Pakistan by preventing any independent thought processes. And if that does not work, the good old standby of enforced disappearance certainly does.

    Actually, those who control the more militant factions in leading assaults are the ones that go on to bigger responsibilities. Just think of how many budding General Hamid Guls are being nurtured right now.
     
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    I don't know sir. But it has been so long they are playing "the game"
    First America bankrolled them now China.
    Hope it will end sooner for greater good of civilians on both sides.

    BTW I'm noticing the desperate attempts to highlight "The Kashmir Cause" by marking back to back documentary , songs and now movie by ISPR (and I admit they are good at it) as well as assuring its role in "the peace dialogue" between unconcerned parties like China, Russia etc .
    They are at something.
     
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    The attempts that you describe as desperate are only for internal consumption to keep the faithful in line and suitably riled up, that is all. The international audience sees through such crude material instantly. The best weapon India has in this matter is its legal standing.
     
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    One thing is sure we are once again going to face the brunt of Pakistan's new found (after USA abandoned them) weapons. Its all 1965 again
     
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    Since 1965, much has changed. Nuclear weapons on both sides will prevent any large-scale war, and Pakistan cannot go on using proxies as it has been until now without consequences for itself. The only way India will lose this tussle is if it fails to govern its portion of Kashmir properly.
     
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    They have higher dependency on nuke threat from strategic to tactical or battlefield level. This is providing them effective cover to carry out whatever they want and can do in Kashmir, Afghanistan and Baluchistan.
     
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    Baluchistan is within Pakistan, so they have authority over it. Afghanistan will remain a struggle for control among many factions and countries, of which Pakistan is only one player. And Kashmir is far more likely to be lost by India's mistakes than it is to be won by Pakistan's strategy. And nowhere is all of this will Pakistan be able to do whatever it wants, only whatever it can get away with, which is increasingly limited due to its own social and economic deterioration.
     
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    Given it's prime adversary being India, how doe you dismantle that apparatus. And think about it, when you cannot conventionally engage the enemy, it is absolutely in the deep state's interest to hold on to the Jihadi Infrastructure. The only way to dismantle the Jihadi infrastructure internally from Pakistan, theoretically would be to turn the majority of them against the state. i.e. Pakistani State going out on a full strike mode against all Jihadis, which in turn turns the Jihadi's against the deep state. And that's where handlers and managers can be used to terminate their assets. The risk being, state going against the deep state. In that scenario, the deep state either usurps power, or doesn't allow the military to take any concrete strike, which is the present situation. If the deep state could shield it's mujhahideen from US/nato, it can shield it from PA too.

    In other words, State of Pakistan is too frail to fight the Deep State anyways. The authors apprehension "And then there was the lack of utility — repurpose and redirect the bad jihadis to where?" At many places, at avenues to hurt Pakistani civilians, dispensable ones, Provide them autonomy to create a easily subduable internal enemy that can be mobilized against to show it's major actions against terror network, which lets them safeuard the "good terrorists". There is a very large utility for all : good, bad and mad Mujhahideens.
     
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    The only way remaining to cause any effective change is by a social and economic implosion. It has been a long time coming, but it comes closer and closer every day. It won't be long now.
     
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    http://www.dawn.com/news/1313154

    Use isolation threat to force policy change in Pakistan, report tells Trump admin
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    WASHINGTON: Designating Pakistan as a state sponsor of terrorism is unwise in the first year of a new administration, but should be kept as an option for the longer term, says a report by a dozen US think-tanks and universities.

    The report advises the Trump administration to “state up front that it intends to review the intelligence on Pakistani involvement in supporting terror much more critically than its predecessors.”

    Scholars and experts from Asian Studies Centre, The Heritage Foundation; Georgetown University; National Defence University, New America; Hudson Institute; Brookings Institution; Centre for Strategic and International Studies and the Middle East Institute jointly compiled this report that includes recommendations for the Trump administration, which took oath on Jan 20 and has not yet spelled out its Pakistan policy.

    The report argues that US engagement with Pakistan must be based on a realistic appraisal of the country’s policies, aspirations, and worldview.

    “The US must stop chasing the mirage of securing change in Pakistan’s strategic direction by giving it additional aid or military equipment. It must be acknowledged that Pakistan is unlikely to change its current policies through inducements alone,” the report adds.

    The working group which compiled the report wants the US to recognise that its efforts over several decades to strengthen Pakistan militarily have only “encouraged those elements in Pakistan that hope someday to wrest Kashmir from India through force.”

    The group acknowledges that there is no silver bullet that can change decades of Pakistani policy, but a tougher stance could persuade Pakistan to cooperate with the United States.


    The report urges the Trump administration to “avoid viewing and portraying Pakistan as an ally and to deal with it as a non-ally, which has engaged in supporting the Afghan Taliban.”

    But the scholars concede that Pakistan is an important country that is willing to cooperate occasionally and partially with the United States. So “it cannot be treated… in the same way the US deals with North Korea.”

    Advising the new administration on how to deal with Pakistan, they argue: “As a first step, the US must warn Pakistan that its status as a Major Non-Nato Ally is in serious jeopardy. Unless Pakistan takes immediate steps to demonstrate that it fully shares US counter-terrorism objectives, the US will revoke (this) status within six months.”

    At the same time, the administration should maintain the option for Pakistan to be an ally of the United States in the future, the reports.

    And if Pakistan behaves, as desired, it should be offered “a package of trade and investment cooperation” as “a key building block” of a new alliance.

    The report also wants the administration to “prioritise engagement with Pakistan’s civilian leaders,” noting that the Pakistani civilian government under Prime Minister Sharif is trying to correct the country’s direction.

    The Sharif government’s important first steps toward signalling a more moderate and tolerant course for Pakistani society “must be recognised and encouraged by the international community,” says the report.

    The scholars also want the Trump administration to work with China and Gulf Arab states to persuade Pakistan to stop tolerating terrorist groups and individuals.

    “The US must lead efforts, including at multilateral forums, to sanction Pakistani terrorist groups and individuals. In particular, Washington must seek to work more closely with China, which shares concerns about the presence of terrorist groups in the region and the threat they pose to the proposed China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC),” the report ads.

    Published in Dawn February 7th, 2017
     
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    Indeed!
    But unfortunately it was stamped and approved without cross checking.
     
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