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Pakistan to lease SSN from China ?

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Ankit Kumar 001, Jan 10, 2017.

  1. Ripcord322

    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Yup... Then we will HAVE to buy F-16's...F-18's...And Rescue their Arms Manufacturers in though times....

    We will also lose our ability to oppose them at forums Like the WTO...Where we are often at opposite sides...

    Example....
    We sell cheap medicines...For the greater good of our people...We oppose the American Pharmacy Companies....After this....Forget that...


    Americans don't hand out their protection for free....Lets face it....We will need them more than they will need us...
     
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    A_poster Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Why lease and become subservient to USA? Just convey to them by informal means that we are open to hosting their assets for long term under LSA on our bases. They anyway want berthing in Port blair.

    It also means that if relations with USA go south after some years, we would not have to tolerate their Navy on our bases.
     
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    A_poster Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Maybe they are the best [Though what about Seawolf class, or Even Borei class (I know it is SSBN, but it still has many techs which are better than Akula)] , but with Russia in Chinese camp, how trustworthy are they?
     
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    A_poster Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    That's why I said that best way is to develop our own.
     
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  5. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Captain Technical Analyst

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    Russia in China camp or no China camp.

    If its money and a well deal done , they are reliable. Be sure about it.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Captain Technical Analyst

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    Developing our own would happen. But it would take time.

    Between the first vessels gets commissioned , there is a timeframe of ~12 years.

    And nothing fills the gap right now other than more and more Akulas.
     
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    Abingdonboy Captain Technical Analyst

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    Would be the best news coming out of Pakistan for years.

    The Pakistanis having some noisy SSNs would be the best present the IN ever got :D

    Such developments would surely kick some sense into the MoD/GoI and force them to up their game in defence and especially give the IN what it wants.
     
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    Abingdonboy Captain Technical Analyst

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    No no bro, India can't be and shouldn't be depending on others to protect its interests. It has ample means to look out for itself, what is lacking is the same old $hit we rue (procurement reforms, political will, strategic awareness etc etc).
     
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    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Exactly....
     
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    And Chinese have 12 trillion$ base to offer .What about us ?
    Chinese wont give them that ,at least for now .But after our NSG aim ,not sure about it .
    But fact is now Chinese would think twice before takes that provocative route .
    Because we also SSBN tech and few missile's tech .And they have Vietnam one their next side .
     
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    SrNair 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    But problem is India is not some small nation like Japan or Pakistan .
    Allowing US ships nearer to our coast means we chose the US side and If US get this support they will become very powerful .

    ankitkumar is right there .
    India current strength is our main issue with Russia .Russians knows economic status is already on our favour and at current pace within one decade,we will have our own military industrial complex .That us why they looks for new field like oil .Look at their investment in Essar .US is already investing in India for their interest .Russians also doing the same
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Captain Technical Analyst

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    They aren't going to buy Russian Arms in large quantities helping the Russian arms industry .

    They can at best only substitute partly for exports from Russia , which has taken hit after sanctions. And that primarily involves Oil.
     
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    Russians know that .Once they are successful in cooling issues with Americans .Chinese game will be over .
     
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    Japan is no "Small Nation" bro, look at it this way.....



    Yes...They are small area wise....and population wise than us.....but still they have



    • A Much better Navy
    • A MUCH bigger economy
    • Their Technology in general is light years ahead of what we have now....(TV's, Cars,Weapons,Ships....)
    • Many Many Many More Global Companies in Forbes Global 500/2000 (60~65 v/s 7 AFAIK)
    • Much more advanced Space Launch Vehicles
    • Much Much Better Standards of living than us
    • Much better Automobile Industry...(They Dominate Our Marker Itself....Right in Our Home (Maruti Suzuki))........
    • They have Much Better Transportation...(Maglev Trains...Bullet Trains...)
    • Less Corruption...Better transparency...Less Crime....etc...



    All this...Despite....Them being as you say a "Small" Nation....


    Just because they are small in area and population...it doesn't mean we can (or should) call them a "Small Nation"

    We should learn from Them....After being DEVASTATED in WW2...Look at where they are now....Heck I guess Even the Chinese in some part of their heart respect them....


    PS :
    It's just their defeat in WW2 that still hurts them...They were perhaps forced onto a pacifist constitution.....
    And China....A country Even bigger than Japan...It's Enemy Sits right Next Door to them....
    They Live in Tough Times these Days.....




    #Respect for the Japanese.....​
     
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    It is hard to take a poster serious when they posts stuff like this.

    Japan is few generations ahead of India in almost everything. We have larger landmass comparing to Japan and largest population. That is it.
     

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