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Pakistani defence industrial base better than ours: Indian Army Vice Chief Lt. Gen. Sarath Chand

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  1. lca-fan

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    Pakistani defence industrial base better than ours: Indian Army Vice Chief Lt. Gen. Sarath Chand

    Lt. Gen. Sarath Chand, Vice Chief of Army Staff (VCOAS), said the ordnance factories have not been able to keep pace with changing technology while "there is no competition whatsoever" and it is "an unsuccessful method of supporting our defence requirements
    Published On: July 25, 2017 11:51 Pm

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    “I would even go to the extent of saying that Pakistan probably has a better industrial base, as far as defence production is concerned, than our country. In fact they export defence equipment abroad, definitely more than what we are doing,” Army Vice Chief said.
    A top Army general today said Pakistan has a better military industrial base and exports more defence equipment than India, as he came down heavily on ordnance factories which manufacture weapons for the forces. Lt. Gen. Sarath Chand, Vice Chief of Army Staff (VCOAS), said the ordnance factories have not been able to keep pace with changing technology while “there is no competition whatsoever” and it is “an unsuccessful method of supporting our defence requirements”.

    “I would even go to the extent of saying that Pakistan probably has a better industrial base, as far as defence production is concerned, than our country. In fact they export defence equipment abroad, definitely more than what we are doing,” he said. He wondered whether the functioning of ordnance factories is because of the assured orders they have or the lack of accountability.

    “There is little or no research and development. They do not even have the capability of absorbing the industry through transfer of technology, and in some cases they have even failed to assemble products that have been imported from abroad,” Lt. Gen. Chand said. “It is very hard to see ordnance factories changing in the present state. Overall it has become an unsuccessful method of supporting our defence requirements,” he said.

    He was speaking at the inaugural session of AMICON 2017, a two-day conference organised by the Army and the CII. He noted that having indigenous industrial capability is very crucial for the country. He further cautioned that in an event of a war, one has to look abroad for its sustenance.

    “And very often, friends have let us down whenever the chips have been down,” Lt. Gen. Chand observed. He said the ‘Make in India’ programme, the Defence Procurement Policy 2016, the strategic partnership model, and the creation of the Army Design Bureau (ADB), are major steps taken by the government for fast-tracking indigenisation in the sector.

    http://indianexpress.com/article/we...-army-vice-chief-lt-gen-sarath-chand-4767081/
     
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    In fact this article should provide the necessary impetus to the GOI to kick the backsides of the DPSU management and immediately move for disinvestment of at lease 51%. There was another article that said that GOI is about to approve 100%FDI in defence manufacturing. I have a sneaking suspicion that this is a precursor to privatisation of the DPSUs. The International players will get readymade infrastructure that they can simply buy out and improve, rather than having to set up a greenfield site.
     
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    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Should bust many myths propagated since many years.

    1. Arjun is NOT better than T-90.

    2. INSAS is not just a failure but an utter disaster.

    3. India has been getting ToT since Mig 21 times but zero utilisation in Tejas as HAL/ADA are grossly incompetent and engineers are morons.

    3. DPSU's in general have compromised on national security
     
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    surya kiran 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Hello Punj Lloyd !!!!

    @Hellfire @PARIKRAMA
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Won't call INSAS as a disaster, a disappointment, maybe.

    Arjun is great tank now (with steadily increasing numbers of Sarvatra and Vehicle mounted CL 70 MAT GROUND SURFACING equipment, we should see more usage as infrastructure improves over the next decade hopefully).
     
  7. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Arjun has greater mobility, firepower and capability. What has killed it is the typical nonsense; limited orders (just 124 units), lack of supporting infrastructure and delays in procuring spares.

    At one time this was true but it hans't been the case for a long long time.

    What could actually carry over from the MiG-21 to the LCA? Tailess Delta design? No. FBW? No. Engine with FADEC? No. Glass cockpit? No. Composite construction? No. Radar? No. EW systems? No.


    You could have ToT for the Hindustan Ambassador, does that mean you can make Porsche 918?
     
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    I imagine the VCOAS is trying to make a point and deflect attention away from the IA so as to make excuses as to why so much of their equipment looks to be from the pre-independance era.

    In reality, the IA's complete and total mishandling of countless projects has contributed just as much to the problem as the failures on the DPSU side. It is nowadays very very easy to bash the PSUs but the IA seems to escape any scrutny whatsoever. It isn't the DPSUs' fault that the IA has been unable to even procure basic equipment such as helmets and plate carriers for their soldiers for the past 15+ years. The fact is a very succesful Indian company exists to cater to these needs (MKU), what is the IA's excuse for not having given them contracts earlier? What is the IA's excuse for the collapse of the F-INSAS project? For converting billions of their CAPEX into their OPEX?

    Meanwhile the very people he is deriding have mammoths of success elsewhere:



    ^ that is >$40 BILLION USD, and he still wants to claim that Pakistan has a greater defence industrial base than India?!


    Of course the DPSUs/DRDO needs to be blamed to an extent but we all know the bloated and insular IA are not the angels they are trying to portray and shame on them for not being able to carry out any sort of introspection whatsoever.


    The IN should be seen as the antithesis of these clowns in the IA, they have a very well thought out and organised long term perspective plan where they identify every element that they want to indigenise from the "float,move, fight" elements of their service, the IN is designing and building 40,000 ton aircraft carriers at the same time that the IA is importing gloves and boots!
     
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    bharathp Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    the first step towards solving a problem is to identify the problem. I am happy we have come there. now we need to really start solving the issue.
     
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    sangos Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    In other words Pakistan -1; India - 0:troll:. Thanks to the 'great freedom fighters' political party rule. Cheekh chilaakar Angrez ko bhagaa diyaa, 2nd world war jeetne ke baad.
     
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    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Online forumers related to Indian defence live in a different world.

    Ground reality is quite different.
     
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    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    INSAS is solely responsible for hundreds of soldiers and thousands of paramilitary dying over the years.

    Indian Army is retiring it and UP Police is now inducting it.

    Makes sense as INSAS is better for invading, capturing and holding a tea shop in Amroha than a bunker in Drass.
     

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