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Pakistan's War on Terror

Discussion in 'South Asia & SAARC' started by ANTIBODY, Aug 31, 2011.

  1. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    We've been through this debate before. The pretext for attacking and invading Iraq proved completely false, no matter what kind of technicalities you throw at it.
     
  2. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Facts are not a technicalitiy, neither is the truth. Remember it was Sadams decision to go to war, he could have just left.
     
  3. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    @forjeet Quoting NYT. Nice. A step up from your usual garbage.

    But this article I read through was also garbage. NO references, NO verification of claims. it's cleverly or rather stupidly confused events of 2006 and before with the vents of today. Completely ignoring the dossier of info about Bin Laden, the Abbottabad commission report. Also ignoring other dealings between the ISI, PA and the militant networks.

    Pathetic excuse for investigative journalism, once again, from the same media outlet that was slammed for being a propaganda horn for the Iraq war, the same organization that later apologized for being loud mouthed fools.

    Oh and by the way lad.

    I'd advise you once again, instead of spamming the threads with articles, if you'd like to ARGUE your case then please do it, I will spend valuable minutes of my time accommodating you, but frankly, I'm getting sick and tired of your shit.
     
  4. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Eh??

    Do you not remember how it went down?? Saddam (although I do not support him, he was a murderer and got what he deserved) desperately tried to stop invasion.
    He complied 110% to the regulations and demands placed on him by the IAEA and the UN.

    The threat was cooked up. Claiming that he possessed live and ready to use WMD's. The WMD threat was then distorted, Colin Powell (and all the BS about him being against invasion) tried to fool the UN, The Bush administration painted a miserable picture using Iraq and Saddam's past (conveniently ignoring key facts about their involvement) and overplayed the WMD threat by a HUGE amount. And then the media did it's own chest thumping from Fox News to NYT, warmongering was rife.

    Then to top it all off, FALSE links between Saddam and Al Qaeda were made and sold to the American people.

    At one point Saddam on air begged fellow Muslim nations to help defend Iraq against an unjust invasion.
     
  5. forjeet

    forjeet Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    I never posted my opinion ABOUT pakistani i simply quoted INTELLECTS or Articles from NEWS MAGAZINES from USA ....so if u WANNA CRY go and CRY IN FRONT of your ABU MERICA :LMAO:

    about pakistani ...........WIKIPEDIA is not Authentic
     
  6. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    @Himanshu Pandey @layman @Manmohan Yadav Please get rid of this troll. It's really annoying when you try to get a thread going for the forum's sake and someone like this comes along and ruins the discussion every time.
     
  7. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I think Forjeet was a Pakistani member.
     
  8. Averageamerican

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    Don't give up on Pakistan
    By Hassan Abbas, Special to CNN
    May 17, 2011 11:45 a.m. EDT
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    STORY HIGHLIGHTS
    Editor's note: Hassan Abbas is a fellow at the Asia Society, director of the society's Pakistan 2020 Study Group, and a professor at Columbia University's South Asia Institute in New York. He is also a former senior adviser to the Pakistan government.
    (CNN) -- In recent years Pakistan has stumbled from one crisis to another. Reeling from a deadly insurgency on the country's western border, its democratic government has struggled to establish even a modicum of stability. The people of Pakistan have shown amazing resilience even as they face rising terrorist activity, severe economic distress and perennial regional tensions.
    That Osama bin Laden was hiding in plain sight in a compound less than a mile from Pakistan's national military academy is troubling, to say the least. If Pakistan's intelligence missed him completely, then it was a case of criminal negligence. If there was collusion of some sort, that will be an even more dire piece of news.
    Yet Pakistan needs more attention and understanding from its most important ally, the United States, and from the rest of the world. Now is not the time for the world to turn its back on Pakistan.
    Pragmatic and durable policy options aimed at improving Pakistan's prospects with a long-term vision are needed. A new Asia Society study group report attempts to provide them, drawing on the insights and guidance of 30 Pakistani and U.S. scholars, former senior officials and experts.
    • The process of democratization must continue, as there is no other way to expand civilian control over all institutions of the state. Pakistan has been ruled by generals for half its history -- another military takeover would set the country back yet again.
    • Pakistan's military expenditures should be made more transparent, and there should be an increased civilian role in defense spending and security policy decisions.
    • Independence of the judiciary -- a major Pakistani achievement in recent years -- needs to be further strengthened through respect for the separation of powers enshrined in the constitution and by providing financial autonomy to the country's judicial institutions.
    • To fix the education system, spending on schools needs to rise from less than 1.5% to at least 4% of gross domestic product -- so girls don't drop out, boys don't end up in radical madrassas, and Pakistan overall can take part in Asia's boom.
    • Along with proper upkeep of existing hydropower dams, more dams are needed to meet Pakistan's current and future energy requirements.
    • Without a drastic overhaul of law enforcement, Pakistan's internal security situation could worsen further. Major financial investment is needed -- for example, half of U.S. funding allocated for counterterrorism and counterinsurgency support could be directed toward enhancing the forensic capabilities of law enforcement and supporting scientific investigations.
    • Pakistan must diligently pursue a peace settlement with India, and increased economic interactions with India will expand the space for a peace constituency in the country.
    While Pakistan has a reputation as a source of instability in South Asia, it also holds the key to peace in the future. Declaring Pakistan a failed or failing state resolves little. By helping Pakistan remedy its dysfunctions, its friends and allies can help ensure better prospects for all of us.
    The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Hassan Abbas.
     
  9. Averageamerican

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    Wishful thinking. Pakistan is not going to have a good ending. Its fundumentaly flawed.
     
  10. Zeus_@21

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    People like Hassan Abbas should have been in power there at Pakistan. But that's not the case.
     
  11. Zeus_@21

    Zeus_@21 Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Jungibaaz likes this.
  12. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    In the 21st century basing government and laws on a religion does not work.
     
  13. forjeet

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  15. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    This guy needs a thread ban.
    That way you'd have him shut up without having him or anyone else cry about a ban.
     

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