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  1. Gessler

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    Now isn't that a Yakovlev Yak-130 in Chinese colors...:lol: Pay the Russians an amount to seal their mouths and rebrand it as Chinese innovation/patent.:sarcastic:

    Sometimes the amount quoted is not enough for Russians, and then truths like these are blurted out : much to China's frustration! :sarcastic::sarcastic:

    Chinese WZ-10 attack helicopter based on Kamov design | FlightGlobal
     
  2. MiG-23MLD

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    Yakolev has the L-15 on its official page project

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    Another "relative" of the Yak-130 (a remote one, frankly) is the L-15 supersonic trainer China develops with Yakovlev's assistance. Says Yakovlev's Director General Oleg Demchenko: "Our full-scale cooperation with the Chinese aircraft industry dates back to 2000 when the AVIC II corporation, based on Yakovlev's advances in Yak-130 development, invited us to join the L-15 supersonic trainer development programme. The L-15 developer is the Hongdu company in the city of Nanchang, a specialist in developing such planes. Its K-8 trainer is in production and sells well enough on the global market. The L-15 is being developed to meet the requirements of the People's Liberation Army (PLA). Yakovlev's role is consulting, which can be called scientific and technical support of the aircraft development programme. We are participating at the preliminary design stage, while the Chinese side is fully in charge of working out the design documentation and making the aircraft. This is a Chinese plane. The Chinese designers just correlate their technical solutions with the opinion of ours." A full-scale mock-up of the new-configuration L-15 was unveiled at the Zhuhai air show in November 2004. Hongdu plans to build its first flying L-15 in 2005. Its flight trials are slated for the same year.
    A.S.Yakovlev Design Bureau –:– company –:– publications –:– articles

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    If we talk about the range of weapons, the AN-70 takes on board 19 pieces of equipment, and IL-476 - 9 only.The fact that the cross section of the cargo compartment with IL-476 is substantially less than in most modern military transport aircraft: An-70, C-17, A-400M and even Chinese Y-20 (set up, by the way, with the help of GP "Antonov").Отказавшись от Ан-70, Россия проиграет в техническом плане, - эксперт - Украина - zn.ua
     
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    Сверхзвуковой многоцелевой самолет
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    Сверхзвуковой многоцелевой самолет (RU 2268846):

    B64D41 - Силовые установки вспомогательного назначения
    B64D27/20 - расположенными внутри фюзеляжа или прикрепленными к нему

    Авторы патента:

    Гуртовой Аркадий Иосифович (RU)
    Агапов Сергей Степанович (RU)
    Школин Владимир Петрович (RU)
    Кодола Валерий Григорьевич (RU)
    Матвеев Андрей Иванович (RU)
    Попович Константин Федорович (RU)
    Демченко Олег Федорович (RU)
    Долженков Николай Николаевич (RU)


    Вледельцы патента:

    Матвеев Андрей Иванович (RU)
    Кодола Валерий Григорьевич (RU)
    Демченко Олег Федорович (RU)
    Школин Владимир Петрович (RU)
    ОАО "ОКБ им. А.С. Яковлева" (RU)
    Попович Константин Федорович (RU)
    Долженков Николай Николаевич (RU)
    Гуртовой Аркадий Иосифович (RU)
    Агапов Сергей Степанович (RU)

    Сверхзвуковой многоцелевой самолет. Патент РФ 2268846





    Изобретение относится к области авиации. Самолет содержит фюзеляж, крыло, основную силовую установку с двумя турбореактивными двигателями 1, вспомогательную силовую установку 2, оперение и боковые воздухозаборники. Силовая установка 2 выполнена с двумя сверхзвуковыми турбореактивными двигателями 1, которые размещены в расширенной хвостовой части фюзеляжа с возможностью расположения между ними корневой части оперения. Вспомогательная силовая установка 2 размещена внизу средней части фюзеляжа за кабиной экипажа. Входные отверстия воздухозаборников расположены под крылом и ограничены в нижних частях фюзеляжем. В крыле в верхней части воздухозаборников выполнены управляемые щелевые жалюзи подпитки воздухом. Между верхней кромкой воздухозаборников и нижней поверхностью крыла выполнены щели слива пограничного слоя. Технический результат - обеспечение эффективного использования легкого сверхзвукового многоцелевого самолета. 2 з.п. ф-лы, 4 ил.

    This is the original Russian patent, Yakolev assisted but still holds patents
     
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    Ukrainian trace Y-20

    For obvious reasons, "Antonov" refrained from official comment on the details of cooperation with China on the program Y-20. However, analyzing the available open sources, something still was possible to find out.

    It is well known that "Antonov" (previously - ASTC. Antonov) has long worked with the Chinese side in the various aviation programs. Specifically, since 2002, the company helped Kiev AVIC I «tie» project ARJ21 regional passenger aircraft by weight and size parameters, to design it with supercritical wing profile, hold strength calculations, manufacturing and purge models in wind tunnels.

    Not less closely cooperate "Antonov" and then proceeded with AVIC II and its subsidiary - Shanxi Aircraft Corporation SAC. Agreement on cooperation in 2001-2002. SAC allowed experts to redesign the wing and fuselage Y-8, significantly increasing the amount of fuel. Kiyani worked closely with their Chinese counterparts program modernized commercial Y-8F600. And although, in spite of active marketing Y-8F600 at airshows, apparently, it was built and it was not, the technical solutions were used by China to other new versions of the family - in particular, the new military transport plane Y-9 and some of its special modifications.

    We also know that China had some interest in the An-70 - from the beginning of its flight testing in 1994 after the failure of the attempt to make the An-70 (or rather his version of An-7X) single medium tactical transport aircraft of the NATO countries, the summer of 2000 eyes of the Russian-Ukrainian consortium "Medium Transport Aircraft" turned to the East. So, June 20, 2000 the agency "Interfax" informed, "Russian Defense Minister Igor Sergeyev said that Russia and Ukraine will produce military transport aircraft of the new generation of An-70 in Germany, as previously planned, but in China. Igor Sergeyev said that the talks in Berlin, the German side expressed its unwillingness to support the Russian-Ukrainian An-70 project will create and own transport aircraft of the same class. "Begged the Germans and we are not going to realize this project will be shared with China, which has shown interest in it," - said the Marshal. "

    It was reported that in summer 2000 collaboration on the An-70 was proposed to the Chinese side during the visit of Prime Minister of the State Council Li Peng in Kiev. To advance aircraft ASTC. DC Antonov chosen as it seemed the most obvious partner - AVIC II and Shanxi company SAC - the largest manufacturer at the time of the Chinese transport aircraft Y-8, created based on the An-12. future joint project fervently believed in and then head SAC Hu Xiaofeng. September 2003 reported talks between Antonov and AVIC II, during which Shanxi offered to host the third (after Kiev and Omsk) assembly place An-70.

    As is known, which at one time only one of the components of the mixed fleet BTA USSR, operational and tactical military transport aircraft An-70 was designed to meet very specific requirements in terms of TK short takeoff and landing on unprepared runways on the front line, making it quite "niche" product and not cheap: for the unique characteristics of the runways had to pay a very heavy price. Probably a number of parameters in its current form the AN-70 did not suit the Chinese Ministry of Defense - at least, this could be the maximum load capacity and range with maximum load.

    Finally, December 18, 2003 between the ASTC. DC Antonova and Shanxi SAC agreement was signed early development of a new "heavy transport aircraft", which had to create based on the An-70.

    January 2006 during the exhibition DEFEXPO in New Delhi in an interview with a famous western analytics Chinese military programs Richard Fisher ASTC staff confirmed that Ukraine proposed project AVIC II jet carrying capacity "of 50 to 60 tons," based on the An-70 with a longer fuselage . Sources Fischer assured that the project is considered the leadership of the PLA priority over competing software from AVIC I Xi'an and XAC.

    September 2007 during the regular exhibitions Aviation Expo China in Beijing "Antonov" signed with Shanxi SAC Memorandum of Intent to establish a joint in Beijing Engineering Center, which was supposed to "perform research and development work on the design of new and modernization of existing aircraft, initiate and justify the creation of new aircraft projects, develop their overall layout, to conduct necessary preliminary research. "One of the main problems has been called "the creation of a large transport aircraft of the Chinese version of the development."





    http://www.take-off.ru/pdf_$/7_2013.pdf
     
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    at theAviation Expo China in Beijing "Antonov" signed
    Shanxi SAC with a memorandum of understanding
    Beijing to build collaborative engineering
    center , which was to " carry out scientific
    but research and design work
    you are designing new and upgrading
    existing aircraft , initiate and equip-
    snovyvat projects to create new aircraft
    develop their overall layout , to conduct
    necessary preliminary research .
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    During the Airshow China 2008, in November 2008 in an interview with Jane's Defense Weekly representatives "Antonov" assured that actively work with the Chinese side on the program of the aircraft payload with a range of 48-50 m with a maximum load of at least 3200 km, and with a load of 40 tonnes - not less than 4500 km.

    However, as is known, in early 2007, winner of the new Chinese PTS was selected Xian XAC, and the resulting plane which is more like the first official images of the Y-XX AVIC I, than the derivative of the An-70. However, obviously, is that the losing party consultants Kiev were soon called upon to help in winning the competition XAC, aided by the integration and the subsequent creation of AVIC AVIC Aircraft Corporation, which included as Xian, Shanxi and company.




    According to the publication of the Moscow Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, Moscow Defense Brief, in 2008, negotiations began to participate in the winning project Antonovites AVIC I and XAC, which ended in August the same year, signing a contract for the provision of advice. August 2009 design cycle was completed, and was contracted to conduct a "comprehensive review of the design of the aircraft YX».

    It is known that "Antonov" was designing the rear fuselage and ramps for Y-20, and, according to some reports, he has been involved and his wing and engine pylons.
    Perhaps this is because the options looked heavy transport aircraft, the proposed "Antonov" contest YX. Illustration of the presentation "Antonov" at a conference on cooperation between Ukraine and the EU in the field of aerospace, "7th European Framework Programme" held in Kiev in 2010
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    The exhibition AV1ASV1T-HH1 in autumn 2010 on the stand "Antonov" was shown a poster with a model of design speed flow visualization transport aircraft, which can be easily find Y-20 in its current form.
    A poster depicting the calculated local velocity flow model YX on the stand "Antonov" at "AVIASVIT-HH1," September-October 2010
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    During the Paris Air Show 2011 Chief Designer "Antonov" Dmitry Kiva in a number of programs for which Antonov collaborate with China, called the transport plane and YX. There is no doubt that by this cipher hiding the current Y-20.

    Y-20 in the third flight, April 21, 2013
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