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Poor replacement plans of Mig-23 & Mig-27 to be blamed for falling IAF sqadron

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by sam2012, Dec 24, 2014.

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  1. sam2012

    sam2012 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    IAF has excellent plans to maintain squadron levels but the failure of LCA project has sent those plans down the drain.

    IAF should never trust HAL again to deliver.

    Sign Rafale asap and increase numbers.
    Bring Irkut and Sukhoi onboard to manufacture Su-30MKI on time as HAL rate of production is abysmal.

    Then look abroad for a fighter in light category as LCA is not progressing towards military grade and remains a labrat
     
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    sam2012 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Hahahaha every thing is LCA fault:blah:, HAL and ADA inability is no secret
    Who retired HF-24 immaturely?? HF-24 mk2 with adour engine was cancelled , MMRCA is their 100% TOT guarantee?? Or again like MKI current issue now who will replace HAL

    Change X or Y bring in reliance which builds tail wing etc crap.... Mahindra aerospace is placed well to play a part since they have a facility but got nothing yet

    The isssue is mix of everything Sucessive govt,IAF and HAL/ADA

    More reality check
    Rafale deal deadlock | Indian Defence Forum
     
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    so is su-30mki.
     
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    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Tejas was meant to be replacing Mig-21 and Mig-27.

    However it is grossly inferior to Mig-21 in air-air combat.

    The first squadron #45 is being raised at Sulur.

    SAC has no combat squadrons and has a dubious role.

    MC and SAC both end up being the liase agency with Blore and have no detriminal impact on combat capability. Tejas is just a toy for IAF. The Tejas squadrons are paper squadrons and in war time would be sent to underground bunkers as they won't have a chance in combat against either PLAAF or PAF. It would be incorrect and unfair to IAF if tejas squadrons are counted amongst IAF combat squadrons.

    The day CAC or SWAC etc get a Tejas squadron only then would Tejas be classified a fighter.

    Until then Mig-21 and Mig-27 would be retired from all 4 AC's and not a single Tejas will replace them.

    No country or company will ever give 100% ToT. Even if they give ToT for say RBE2-AA it would be impossible for DRDO to absorb the tech and turn into a meaningful indigenous AESA. IAF has already said they don't want more DRDO AWACS which are based on Embraer (Brazilian) platforms. In other words it was inferior to the Israeli AWACS which are based on Ilyushin/Antonov platforms.

    Reliance is one of the partner's Dassault will choose for "Make-in-India" as HAL does not have the technical competence for making wings as has been seen in Tejas where the composite wings are being redesigned.

    Choosing Reliance will also help in the 50% offset clause. The 108 birds would be finally assembled at HAL but a significant if not majority of manufacturing would thankfully be done outside HAL.

    Mahindra is nowhere in the picture right now.

    Issue is purely HAL/ADA gross incompetence. They want to make a 21st century fighter aircraft and end making a post ww2 fighter.
    Add to that UPA/Anthony reluctance to move on Rafale deal.

    IAF is the victim here.
     
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    CAG

    Services to blame for delay in T-90 and the same is visible in LCA case

    same pattern same methods

    lets go for

    head on trials of

    LCA V/s Mig 21 Bison
    LCA V/s Mirage 2000
    LCA v/s Mirage 2000 Upgraded

    then ask the CAG to look into it and make a report


    everyone ok with the proposal ?
     
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    1oo% FDI is allowed in defence right?
    then why not Dassault create an Indian company say Dassalt India with selling stocks to Indian firms and Recruiting Indian Employees.
    They can have the profit also. but a guaranteed technology transter to Indian facility...
    isn't that possible?
     
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    100% fdi not allowed in defence
     
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    HAL/ADA/DRDO to blame for Tejas as has been evident since 1969.

    Tejas would do poorly against the Hawk forget Mig-21.

    Only risk in trials is that if real report gets leaked it would be a national embarrassment.

    Time for GoI and IAF to do a rethink on the program as a whole since its going nowhere except the junkyard.
     
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    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    let the CAG report the actual & real findings to the parliament whatever they may be
     
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    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Suggest you do these vs competitions in your head while playing out your other fantasies and leave professional bodies like IAF alone.
     
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    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    It is my tax money they are splurging on their fantasy toys

    they need to be accountable

    CAG is my nominee to look into it

    If a few Air marshals dont like it then well they can resign & move on
     
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    Or you can leave the country and move out.

    The armed forces are not accountable to the propaganda agent of Italians and aaptards
     
  15. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    THis is my country

    I pay tax to fund the Airforce so they better be accountable to me

    all their salaires and Pension and OROP are going to be funded from my taxes
     
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