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Putin says China no threat to Russia

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  1. aimarraul

    aimarraul 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Putin says China no threat to Russia | Russia | RIA Novosti

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    Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said he saw China as a reliable partner, not a threat to Russia.

    "For us China is a partner, a reliable partner and we see the readiness of the Chinese people and the Chinese leadership to build friendly, neighborly relations with us and search for compromise on difficult issues," Putin said.

    He said that Russia "has no plans to compete with China" for global leadership. "China has other rivals. Let them sort it out between themselves," he said.
     
  2. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    I dont know if this man is lieing or its just wishful thinking, but what he is saying is not the truth.

    RUSSIAS FEAR OF CHINA
    25 October 2010
    By Richard Lourie
    Russian policy is now driven by two factors: the imperative to modernize and the fear of China. Both dictate a move to the West, which is now well under way.

    On Oct. 18, President Dmitry Medvedev met with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy in France to formalize Russia’s relations with the European Union in security matters. Medvedev will also attend the NATO summit in Lisbon on Nov. 19 to 20. That was only possible because Russia had announced it was withdrawing its troops from Perevia, a Georgian town it had occupied in the 2008 war that had become a sticking point in negotiations with NATO. This comes after a significant concession by the Kremlin when it canceled the sale of S-300 anti-aircraft missiles to Iran.

    Of course, none of this means that Russia is about to become the West’s lackey. For example, on Oct. 15 Medvedev and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez signed a deal for Russia to build Venezuela’s first nuclear power plant. Russia has also sold Venezuela more than $4 billion in weaponry over the past five years. None of these transactions were designed to curry favor with Washington. Medvedev, however, termed the nuclear power plant deal strictly business. The little matter of Chernobyl aside, Russia offers a very good value proposition on nuclear energy. It will build the reactors, supply the energy at an attractive price and dispose of the waste — a decision, as one commentator remarked with mock wistfulness, that could not have been made quite so easily in a more democratic country.

    But Russia has been losing ground in some of its traditional core competencies, including arms sales. Though still second to the United States, Russian sales have been hurt by Chinese “knockoffs at bargain prices.”


    China became more assertive the moment it passed Japan to become the world’s No. 2 economy. This was displayed in its recent clash with Japan over a Chinese trawler captain held by Japanese authorities, its reaction to the Nobel Peace Prize being awarded to dissident Liu Xiaobo and in the recent embargo of rare earth minerals both to Japan and to the United States. Russia’s economy would not, of course, be much affected by an embargo of this sort, but many Russians will see these as the opening salvos in what former Mayor Yury Luzhkov once told me would be “the resource wars of the future.”

    Coincidentally, the coming world water shortage was the cover story — “The New Oil” — of Newsweek’s Oct. 18 issue. It calls Russia, along with Canada and Alaska, one of the “winners” in the world of the “new oil,” seeing Siberian entrepreneurs selling water to an increasingly parched China. But those same resources also make Russia more attractive for a takeover, especially since the eastern reaches of the country are sparsely populated — 7 million Russians compared with 100 million Chinese on the other side of the border. Territorial disputes, although quiet for the time being, can always come back to life. Historically, China has always considered itself the injured party, its territory seized by “unequal treaties.”

    Russia is interested in Western capital, know-how and security pacts but not Western values. A few concessions might be made, like a reduced sentence for former Yukos CEO Mikhail Khodorkovsky. But Russia will definitely improve economic and legal conditions to attract capital. The coming decade should be good for investment in Russia. For the first time in quite a while, I am bullish on the bear.

    Richard Lourie is author of “The Autobiography of Joseph Stalin” and “Sakharov: A Biography.”


    Read more: Bullish on the Bear | Opinion | The Moscow Times
    The Moscow Times
     
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  3. lucifer

    lucifer Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    ^^^This is politics. They are signing a trillion dollar trade deal... the fear of threat pretty much would die out or subdue with that.
     
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  4. TereBinLaden

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    SCO initiative is being taken to improve confidence among the neigbour, ultimately India being a part when it turns into a power bloc, but India's decision to take side will define the whole effort, a North South Strategic corridor or a resistance power bloc. Point to be noted India being a huge consumer market and Russia being the largest oil reserves.
     
  5. MiG-23MLD

    MiG-23MLD Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    anti-Chinese « Vladivostok the city of Sea Cucumber CliffUnsuccessful immigration policy leads to the rise of nationalism and hate speech in societies with little level of tolerance, or very sensitive historical background. Processes of globalization contribute to the complexity of this problem: policies of open borders and global business expansion might worsen the situation. Issues of hate speech and hate crime are closely related to the migration policy and security interests of states. Therefore governments are the ones who should provide its societies with the valid understanding of immigration issues. And this understanding should meet modern age requirements.

    Countries that occupy vast territories will always have a complex ethnic structure, especially if they are neighboring other large countries. Russia and China represent two typical cases of multi cultural societies with presence of mutual phobias towards each other. Russian government as well as the Russian media do not address issues of Chinese migration constructively, but prefer to give a blind eye on the existing issue, thus creating xenophobia.

    Due to the close proximity to China residents of Vladivostok, Russia’s largest city on the Pacific coast, have developed strong anti-Chinese sentiments, even though many of them travelled to China at least once. Local residents have fears and anxiety, which is why they react to the “Chinese invasion†in their way.

    Historical aspect

    According to the Sova Center, a Moscow-based NGO that works on nationalism and racism, in 2009 at least 431 people fell victims to the racist and xenophobic-motivated violence in Russia, 72 of whom died. Hate speech exists in every city of Russia, but the phenomenon differs from city to city, from region to region. People in Vladivostok are sensitive to Chinese immigration and the increasing number of Chinese people working in the region. These tensions are deeply rooted in both Chinese and Russian societies.
    Centuries ago the territory around Vladivostok was occupied by different nations (e.g. Manchus or Bohai) that later became a part of the modern Chinese and Korean societies. Following the Treaty of Aigun in 1858, the River Ussuri and right bank of the Amur river passed to China, while Russia got the left bank of the Amur. Indigenous Manchu and Chinese were allowed to stay where they lived before, in what is now considered Russian territory, keeping their citizenship and residence [taken from: John J. Stephan. The Russian Far East ‘A history’ (California, Stanford: Stanford University Press, 1994), 48, quoted in: Quested, R. K. I. Expansion of Russia in East Asia, 1857-1860. Kuala Lumpur: University of Malaya Press, 1968] . By the time Vladivostok was founded in 1860, its territory changed owners several times.

    Vladivostok is the official name of the capital of Primorskyi Krai, but in China they prefer calling it 海參崴 [Hǎishēnwǎi] meaning the city of “Sea Cucumber Cliffs,†considered by some Russians as offensive.

    Some locals believe the Chinese teach school children that those territories used to belong to China. Therefore there is a deeply rooted fear that in the near future Chinese government may claim those territories back. It is very difficult to refute this belief especially since some Chinese support the idea of territorial belonging to China. “I’ve heard that this place was once part of the People’s Republic of China,†said one Chinese visitor in Vladivostok to a BBC reporter. “We’ve come to have a look at it.†When he was asked whether China would like to get these territories back, he replied: “Sure we want to, when our country is great and strong, we’ll take it back.â€


    Migration of workers

    Residents of Vladivostok do not approve of the growing number of Chinese migrants working on the markets and construction sites of the city, even though there is no exact data of Chinese migration. Federal Migration Services of Russia keep records of migrants but majority of them avoid the registration process, thus violating the law and remaining unknown. The data indicates only 235, 000 citizens of China, who obtained a temporary registration in Russia as of April 2008. This number might not be entirely accurate, but even if doubled it is still relatively small to create a fear of the “Chinese invasion.†As Russian specialist on migration Zhanna Zayonchkovskaya once pointed out, this fear of Chinese invasion is highly exaggerated; there are not that many Chinese walking on the streets of Russia. To the contrary people are typically unaware that “the number of Russians who annually cross the border with China is 2 times bigger, than the number of Chinese crossing the Russian border.â€

    The 2007 poll indicates that Russian population generally perceives its proximity to China as a threat. Majority of respondents (57, 7 percent) replied that “if a government let the things slide, seizure of territories may occur,†whereas 75, 5 percent of the Chinese respondents believe that this possibility is excluded. Therefore this situation points out once again that the issue of Chinese “expansion†is highly politicized in Russia. The government tries to play a role of the moderator in this situation, artificially maintaining and keeping this idea in the society.

    Hate speech and hate crime

    The fear of Chinese occupation followed by hate speech is not a new phenomenon in this region. Russian media doesn’t make things any better; to the contrary they maintain and reinforce this fear. In 2009 popular business newspaper Vedomosti published an article called “Russia Won’t Manage,†describing the plan of 2009-2018 co-development of the Far Eastern natural resources together with China. This development will be built on the principle “our materials – your technologies.†It means that Chinese businessmen will build their own factories on the territory of Russia and attract Chinese labor to the region, while using Russian natural resources and materials. Local population raises reasonable concerns whether this measure is necessary and if local businesses benefit from it at all.

    In the meantime, anti-Chinese hate speech and hate crime became a common feature of the region. In May 2009, three policemen in Ussuryisk, a satellite town of Vladivostok, detained two Chinese without any reason, took them to a forest and threatened them in order to get money. This case got discovered and policemen were facing charges, however many cases like this remain unknown.

    There are many other examples of hate crime in Vladivostok. In 2004, about 60 skinheads brutally beat 6 Chinese citizens who were peacefully resting on the beach. Skinheads were shouting nationalistic slogans while security men tried to stop them and called the police. The police they did not arrive soon, as they did not want to interfere. Detained skinheads confessed their actions and were released on surety of their parents shortly.

    Residents of Primorsky Krai are used to everyday anti-Chinese atmosphere and do not seem to pay attention to it anymore. This is even more surprising since some areas of Vladivostok look just like China-towns: Chinese products appear in every shop and Chinese cuisine is present in various restaurants across the city. Regional and central government do not pay attention to the phenomenon of hatred either; on the contrary they aggravate and worsen it.

    Local authorities lack tolerance and understanding of issues of migration. Decisions of co-development with China are extremely sensitive for the local population; their views, however, are not taken into consideration. Therefore the situation is not getting any better and hate speech is engraining. Regional and national media do not address these issues in a sensitive manner either. To the contrary they create fear of Chinese expansion into the region, which is barely the case
     
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    Chinese are very interested in buying share in the Russian
    oil reserves, India must also try to get hold of a few wells,
    Its only going to get expensive, India Must make its move.
     
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    i think india should go for renewable energies, for India to grow it needs new technologies, electric cars are good, india should take the ecological side, oil is just a source of conflict and not very ecological.

    To put a billion people in high stardards of living you need a lot of high tech in order to make the economic system ecologically feasible, add a touch of democracy and you can get 1 billion people with good living standards.

    India should go for REVA and solar energy
     
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    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    I advocate this point as well,
    but India's needs are huge, Renewable sources alone wont cover all of it,
    not in the short run, it will take atleast 2 decades of dedicated work,
    to get something like that effectively up and running, so in the short run, we have no choice

    I hate to say this, but it must be done,
    valuable foreign exchange is lost for oil every year,
    India spends more than 75 Billion on Import of oil,
    so buying a few oil wells is a necessity.
     
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    Putin only said the Diplomacy language.

    We didn't believe the Chinese authorities. :nono:

    If you have an aggressive and greedy neighbor, you should be wary
     
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    i completely agree,
    China is know to go back on its words every now and then
     
  11. lamaluyang

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    really? What you are talking about are india and russia.
    india always changes the requirements on weapons, that is why you indian
    guys always need 10 years to build one single ship. russia always changes
    the prices of its products, that is why you indian guys always pay so much
    money on russian weapons.

    On the contrary, when we say pakistan is our friend, we always say so.
     
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    ^^^really!? Thats soo good for you guys!! btw hows the friendship been workin out for u people? any further terrorist attacks yet?

    and you guys clearly build a single ship much faster and cheaper than India or Russia after all u are hard workin ethical people! oh wait, u are just hard workin at rippin off of other's designs..no wonder u come under budget and on time.. cheerio !!
     
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    technology doesn't grow on trees. there's one way to get it and one way only: studying and then innovating. you learn physics by copying the techniques you learn from the textbook and applying them to your specific problem. i dont think you have any idea how backwards india is technologically. if they had the technology to make all that, india would not have a problem with malnutrition, starvation and communicable disease.
     
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    Oh then how much aid did you provide to Pakistan in last 5 years,
    lets me tell you 264 Million Dollars Total !!!!
    thats less than 60 Million per year.

    we change requirements because we want more latest equipments,
    thats quiet natural.

    I remember Zardari visiting China for a aid of 3 Billion Dollars
    last year, and he was refused by China saying that "First pay of the Earlier debt."
     
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    Your number and saying are wrong. 640 million us dollars for only the recovery from flood. The money related to the contracts sighed by Wen when he visited pakistan is 14 billion(various projects). More importantly, how can you judge the friendship by money? Russia raises the prices of your weapons over and over, that is why you judge friends like this?

    Changing the requirements during developing is really a bad idea, but you indian guys always do this, because you are so over-ambitious

     
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