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Rafael in $1b Indian anti-tank missile deal

Discussion in 'Indian Defence Industry' started by CONNAN, Mar 25, 2011.

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  1. CONNAN

    CONNAN Major ELITE MEMBER

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    "Defense News": Rafael will sell the Indian Army 321 Spike launchers, 8,356 missiles, and 15 training simulators, and peripheral equipment.
    24 March 11 17:53, Ran Dagoni, Washington

    "Defense News" reports that the Indian Army is about to order thousands of Spike anti-tank missiles and peripheral equipoment from Rafael Advanced Defense Systems Ltd. in a $1 billion deal. Indian Ministry of Defence officials told the magazine that the order is for 321 launchers, 8,356 missiles, and 15 training simulators, and peripheral equipment.

    Rafael was the only bidder in the tender, which was published in June 2010, and the Indian Army had to obtain a special permit to sign a deal on the basis of a tender with just one potential vendor. General Dynamics Corporation (NYSE: GD), Raytheon Company (NYSE: RTN), Pan-European MBDA, and Russia's Rosoboronexport decided not to participate in the tender.

    "Defense News" quotes sources as saying the technology transfer was the main obstacle. The magazine did not say whether the companies that stayed out of the tender refused to share their technology with India, nor is Rafael's position on the matter made clear.

    "Defense News" says that the Indian Army will receive various configurations of the Spike, including ready-for-use missiles already assembled in Israel, partly assembled missiles whose final assembly will take place in India, and missiles that will be fully assembled by Bharat Dynamics Ltd., an Indian government-owned company.

    The Indian Army plans to install the Spike missile systems on Russian built combat vehicles. Indian officials said that tests in battlefield conditions have been completed, and that the Spike missiles met all the specifications set by the Indian Army: a range of 2.5 kilometers in day and night conditions, and a 90% accuracy rate. The tender also stipulates that the missiles must have 3G active-passive fire-and-forget guidance systems.

    On another matter, an Indian Army official said that the Arrow 2 anti-ballistic missile system, jointly built by Israel Aerospace Industries Ltd. (IAI) (TASE: ARSP.B1) and Boeing Co. (NYSE: BA), might become part of India's missile defense solution. India has been mentioned as a possible customer of the Arrow missile, but any deal would require US approval, as it shares in the financing, development, production, and assembly, of the Arrow.

    India is one of the largest customers of Israel's defense industry. The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) says that India's is the world's largest arms buyer, because of its tense relations with China and Pakistan.

    Rafael in $1b Indian anti-tank missile deal - Globes
     
  2. Bad Wolf

    Bad Wolf Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    then what about naag missile
     
  3. CONNAN

    CONNAN Major ELITE MEMBER

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    Nag has successfully completed its final validation trials and is expected to join the Indian Army in 2011.Two missiles were launched against a moving target at a time another two missiles were launched against a stationary Vijayanta tank in quick succession and successfully hit the targets.Indian Army is happy with the performance. Nag missile is to be inducted into the Army's arsenal by 2011.
    The Hindu : Front Page : Nag's final validation trials completed

    the only reason that IA also going for SPIKE because it is man portable i think we will have both the missiles in our inventory till we get man portable version of NAAG
     
  4. DaRk KnIght

    DaRk KnIght Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Denial Mode always :lol:
     
  5. flanker143

    flanker143 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    no its ur that brain that hurts.....oooops hoga to hurt karega naa !!!!

    any ways we will be buying the man portable version bcoz naag is not man portable ...... its carried by namaica.
     
  6. chachachoudhary

    chachachoudhary Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Nag---Tracked carrier version to accompany mechanized infantry and armoured formations.

    Javelin----Man-portable, shoulder fired fire and forget.

    Helina---Heli-born version of Nag for LCH and Dhruv.

    Spike---Guided missile to be fitted on APCs/IFVs.

    Milan 2T and III: Wire-guided SACLOS on infantry vehicles, tripod.

    Konkurs: Wire-guided SACLOS carried on BRDMs, BMPs.

    Kornet: Laser-beam SACLOS anti-tank, anti-helicopter. 2nd gen.

    SVIR/REFLEKS: Anti-tank guided missile fired from T-90S tanks.

    LAHAT: Anti-tank guided missile fired from Arjun tank.

    HELLFIRE: May be in indian army inventory if the deal sails through.

    NAG (DANSH): Man-portable nag. On design boards.
     
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  7. Sanjeeb Bose

    Sanjeeb Bose Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    Do we know which type of Spike we are buying ? There are different variants of it, such as SL- Spike for 200 m - 800 m, MR-Spike for 200m to 2500m or Spike-NLOS [Non Line of Sight] for upto 25,000 m.
     
  8. Vritra

    Vritra Major ELITE MEMBER

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    ^^^ The Spike MR (or ER), most likely. It's supposed to be a very adaptable version, allowing it to go almost seamlessly from being man-portable to IFV mounted.
     
  9. 500

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    Spike or Javelin? India Still Undecided on a Billion Dollar Missile Buy..

    The Indian Army is planning to equip its ground forces with thousands of anti-tank missiles to be built in India. The Indian military considers two options, both of them exclusive – the FGM-148 Javelin, proposed under a Government-to-Government (G2G) program via U.S. Foreign Military Sale (FMS), and the Spike MR, proposed by Israel’s Rafael Advanced Defense Systems, being the only bidder in an international tender, which specified characteristics and specifications only the Israeli company could meet.

    The Indian Army plans to install the missiles on infantry combat vehicles currently carrying locally produced AT-5 or Milan missiles.

    The Indian Ministry of Defense plans to order 321 launchers, and 8,356 missiles, plus 15 training simulators in a multi-phase arms package worth over one billion US$. Two options are currently on the table – the U.S. Javelin and the Israeli Spike MR.

    The current decision by the Indian authorities clears the way for an official selection of Rafael as a preferred supplier of the missile but does not guarantee winning the order, since as a single supplier a company is most exposed to procedural and bureaucratic objections that are likely to delay the program, enabling competitors to gain pressure in hope for a wind change at the Indian MOD. Overall, a single supplier status is often approved for short term programs, justified by rapidly addressing urgent operational requirements. (An examplem is the recent French acquisition of Javelin missiles, to equip its units in Afghanistan.)

    Recent news reports (Defense News 24 June, 2010 and 24 March, 2011) claimed both companies have won the program. Both are premature, and, technically, both can be correct, as the Indians have not made their selection yet. Both programs are proceeding in parallel channels; each has its own advantages and obstacles. Eventually, only one channel will be selected – either the open bid contract or the G2G path. The later means the work share Indian companies will get would be minimal (unless Lockheed Martin and Raytheon will be authorized by the U.S. government to outsource Javelin work to India, a procedure that hasn’t been approved yet). In addition to limited local production will not be possible, as the procurement would be made through the U.S. Army channels and, as such, is likely to be more expensive than the Israeli alternative. On the positive side, the G2G path is less susceptible to public scrutiny and bureaucratic obstacles, and therefore, could be available in short term.

    The open selection means the process will be longer, yet offer much more Indian industrial involvement, technology transfer, and local production, in addition to the benefit of offset, as mandated by the Indian government.

    Rafael being the only bidder in this tender, the Indian Army had to obtain a special permit to sign a deal on the basis of a tender with just one potential vendor. While technology transfer is a big issue in India, another reason for the absence of competitors was the Indian insistence on unique weapons performance – the Indians demanded that the missiles will enable “active-passive fire-and-forget guidance system”, which only Rafael can offer. Off the shelf third generation (3G) missiles are employing passive sensors to lock on the target before launch, and perform ‘fire and forget’ engagement. At present, only the Spike can offer ‘active passive 3G fire and forget’ – the ability for the user to correct the missile’s aiming in flight, as it closes in on the target, thus offering the ‘active’ element of the engagement.

    While the Indian Army is currently interested in the medium range version of Spike, other requirements also include will longer range guided weapons which could offer the Spike an advantage in establishing a common logistics, training and support.

    As industrial participation and technology transfer, if Rafael eventually wins the order, the Indians will get the first deliveries of missiles from Israel but Rafael is likely to shift production to India, as it successfully have done in other markets, some of the recent examples include Poland and Spain. In India, Rafael is likely to work with Bharat Dynamics Ltd., an Indian government-owned company specialized in missile development and production. In addition to missile assembly, India could produce most of the system, particularly if Rafael is successful in negotiating the joint venture it plans with Bharat Electronics Ltd (BEL), in establishing a private, India based company to produce missile seekers for air/air and surface/air missiles. This JV could also address the Spike’s EO seekers.

    Spike or Javelin? India Still Undecided on a Billion Dollar Missile Buy - Defense-Update
     
  10. Spartacus+

    Spartacus+ Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Indian ATGM "NAG" ko Indian army ne ghas be nahi dala. :dirol:
     
  11. Vritra

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    The Nag is a missile in the class of the Brimstone and Hellfire ATGMs, not Spike or Javelin. Wisecracks about it being abandoned or whatever else just shows ignorance, a lack of basic understanding; It isn't funny, it isn't witty, it's just a waste of forum space

    And if you still haven't cottoned on, here's Chachachoudary's post for you to read.
     
  12. ShUeY

    ShUeY FULL MEMBER

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    No it Means that Pakistan is a country made up of retards who purchase everything from China rather than indigenously attempting to make their own anti-tank missiles. It also means Pakistan is a failure and doesn't have the brains or money to fund such material.
     
  13. Spartacus+

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    Pakistan is country full of genius people
    If NAG is super dupa as you are saying why Indian army not purchasing them? NAG is failed missile like all other Indian defence products your couintry can't even manufacture MP5 class rifle.
     
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  14. Sid

    Sid Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Yeah its a country of genius, that's why the most number of nobel Prizes are won by Pakistanis, and the first one who won it, Dr. A Salam, was treated in a very very special way.!
     
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  15. Dilemma

    Dilemma Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Sure why not. After reading your posts, I dare doubt it.

    Sir, India is no where as good as Pakistan when it comes to its defense industry. It can only make its own fake stealth destroyers, drowning nuclear submarines, phony ballistic missile defense system, paper aircraft carriers, failed fighter, crappy attack chopper, useless utility chopper, super failed tank, etc.

    /sarcasm.

    Anyways, Mr.iNeedaBrain, the reason why the Army is not buying the NAG is because DRDO still has to come up with a man portable version of it. If you would have cared to read previous posts, this post would not have been required. The Nag as of now can only be fired from a BMP-2 or an attack chopper (called the HELINA).

    Coming to not being able to manufacture a decent gun, I suggest you do some research before you post (oh wait a minute, if you would have done that, your post count would have been zero). On topic, India manufactures, the Zittara, a TAR-21 customized for Indian needs and also the AK-103.
     
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