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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Normally, we consume fuel from drop tanks first bcoz you never know when the enemy aircraft may bounce you. In case of actual combat, first thing we do is to clean up the aircraft of all non essential loads like drop tanks and bombs and come down to A2A configuration unless the fight is BVR. So in actual scenario in which Rafale-M is able to fire its ASMs from a range in which it is not required to get rid of its drop tanks to either fight enemy fighters or reduce its RCS, the option stated by you exists. More and more fighters are now being equipped to have inflight refuelling of their drop tanks thru aerial tankers or buddy refuelling. However in case of an actual battle, the aircraft will return with just bare minimum fuel to land back on deck. What happens than? The fuel transferred to drop tank now becomes dead weight and can't be used. So either the aircraft will have to call up a tanker after creating a dead weight to be able to land safely or, it will have to dump the asymmetric load.
    But I loved your suggestion. Great going man.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    @Dagger, pls get your idea patented. You will earn over USD100million for what you posted. You have solved the problem of asymmetric loads for LSA for me. LSA will never have asymmetric load problem. Your Idea and my brain and we have the solution to the biggest problem of Naval Aviation in the world.
     
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    Dagger 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    I hereby grant any and all patent rights to Mr.vstol jockey , the owner of LSA.
    Jai Parshuram!
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Jai Parshuramji.
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    he he it solve the problem for Rafale too...:devilwork:
     
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    Dagger 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Hehe. Too bad.. @vstol jockey is the owner of that patent now.

    I remember the structure of LSA fuel tanks, had fuel in the wings( two triangles). Even they could balance some asymmetry?
     
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    Sathya Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Even without drop tank, can the fuel transferred to wing tanks solve the asymmetrical load ?
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Yes it does. All you need to do now is to call up your buddy tanker, refuel, transfer fuel to wing tanks, balance out or reduce asymmetry to within limits and land back safely.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Bhai, shat shat pranaam.
     
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    So you are planning to transfer the fuel from one side to another?
    The internal fuel tanks.
    I think its common in jet airliners
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Yes for consumption and not to create a dead weight. @Dagger has solved a problem with his idea which has haunted Naval Aviation for over 100 years.
    It is very common for jet airliners to open crossfeed valve and ensure symmetry in fuel tanks in case of single engine operation but to create a dead weight is new thing for the purpose of ensuring symmetry.
     
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    I came to know about this in an Air Crash Investigation episode:mrgreen:
    In that case there was fuel leak in one wing. Which was causing plane to lean on other side. They pumped fuel from other side leading to fuel crisis
    Something like that happened
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    @BON PLAN, We Brahmins in India are only 5.5% of the population but we are officers in over 40% government jobs including armed forces. Just two Brahmins on this forum have solved a major problem of Naval Aviation. What do you say about LSA now?
     
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    Are'nt trim tab controls and internal fuel CG balance a part of FBW system to control any asymmetric loads ?
     
  15. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    They are but they have limitations. In normal cruise speeds you can balance out a higher asymmetric load due to higher speeds but the problem comes while landing as you are restricted by a host of problems from tyre speed to landing runway length to break energy limits etc. Its complicated to explain it all here but yes, its bad.
     

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