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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    If you remember, I had told you that entire fleet of Mig-21/23/27 will be replaced by LCA & This new single engine fighter while Rafale will be used to make up for shortfall in numbers and to replace all pre 2000 production Jags. Only post 2000 production Jags will be retained and upgraded to be operational till about 2030-35 timeframe.
     
  2. Sathya

    Sathya Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    So only noise reduction?
    The stated power of Kaveri is with noise ?
    Will the power increase significantly or only marginally?

    Modular building, certifying engine and fitting into LCA will help save time ...
    But will the engine have sufficient power ?

    I was thinking all our future aircrafts including Rafale MII to have this engine.. But seems not so..
    We have to learn here and develop next ... Seems it ll take a while.
    Explains GE414 ..
     
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  3. CNL-PN-AA

    CNL-PN-AA 2nd Lieutant MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    http://www.paxaquitania.fr/2017/02/vers-un-duel-f-18-vs-rafale-pour.html

    Towards a duel F-18 vs Rafale for the naval aviation

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    While the host country Aero India is taking place these days, statements follow one another regarding the next potential purchases of hunters. Today, it is the naval aviation that is put forward. According to Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar, the Indian Navy needs a twin-engine aircraft. This restricts his choices to two devices.

    Rafale in India, second round. After signing in 2016 for 36 Dassault Aviation fighters, India, the world's largest weapons importer (14% of the market in 2015), has not finished with the renewal of its air force.

    On 17 January, New Delhi issued a request for information in the framework of a program called "Multi Role Carrier Borne Fighters" (MRCBF), which would represent no less than 57 combat aircraft for its naval aviation.
    This is a modern, multi-role aircraft. It must be capable of being implemented from a STOBAR (Short Take-Off But Arrested Recovery) or CATOBAR (Catapult Assisted Take-Off Barrier Arrested Recovery) aircraft carrier. In the latter case, it is precisely the configuration of the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle. And remember, we had already evoked this similarity on Pax Aquitania in the summer of 2015.

    The Rafale (Dassault Aviation) and the F-18 (Boeing), the Rafale (Dassault Aviation) and the Rafale (Dassault Aviation), were among the top classics: the Russian MIGs and the Indian Tejas, (Navy) and the US Navy, as well as the F-35C (Lockheed Martin) and the Swedish Gripen (Saab).
    Saab is making a lot of effort (read HERE and HERE ) to seduce the Indians who are looking for a single-engine.

    Only then, a famous Indian specialized site told us yesterday the remarks of the minister of defense Manohar Parrikar: the naval aviation wants a twin-engine!


    Suivre
    [​IMG]Livefist @livefist

    As expected, @IndianNavy's new carrier fighter needs to be a twin engine jet, confirms @ManoharParrikar. So a clear F/A-18 vs Rafale war.

    09:35 - 14 Févr 2017



    A duel between twins


    Following this statement, two candidates escape the lead: our Rafale Marine and the FA-18 Super Hornet American. And the latter, despite his age, can not be underestimated when we know that there exists in the boxes an important plan of modernization.
    Another argument, the Americans could try to play the "Make In India" by installing the production on the spot. Finally, this is an uncertain hypothesis since the election of Donald Trump and his "America First" ...

    Read on the blog: The FA-18 Super Hornet takes second place

    On the French side, we are always working to establish the Rafale ecosystem in a broad sense - including armament - in India. Even vocational training is included in these great maneuvers .

    We will not forget to notice a piece of information passed somewhat unnoticed last month: India and France signed on January 19 a maritime cooperation agreement in the Indian Ocean . An agreement that refers to regional security and the sharing of information between the navies of the two countries.

    With a fast - and optimistic - calculation, we arrive at about a hundred Rafale. Of the Rafale Marine therefore, as well as 36 additional Rafale (at least) for the air force, a hypothesis that is heard murmuring more and more frequently in high place on the spot .

    In any case, we can not blame the "Team Rafale", Dassault in mind, not to invest in our dear Indian partner.

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    Suivre
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    In full Indian Air Force colours, a @Dassault_OnAir Rafale scale model at #AeroIndia2017. Deliveries begin 2019.

    11:30 - 14 Févr 2017
     
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  4. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Qatari paint scheme. I love it.
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Tejpal Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Am I the only one finding out that there was absolutely no ToT for the 36 firm + 18 option order?
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Sir, how much do you think Thales group is ready to offer under TOT the tech for RBE-2 AESA?? Are they looking for further orders(mèrgenic+MII) for this?
     
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  9. Tejpal

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    Éric Trappier, CEO of Dassault Aviation, while speaking on the sidelines of the 11th edition of the Aero-India said: “We are pushing for more orders. The existing order of 36 is not big enough to have transfer of technology. Our plan is to be in India. India should be ready to be part of the global supply market.”


    http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/na...-india-says-dassault-aviation-ceo/364474.html

    Subsequently, Dassault Aviation signed a joint venture pact with the Anil Ambani’s Reliance Aerostructure to execute the offset obligtions worth ₹50,000 crore. The JV will be named as ‘Dassault Reliance Aerospace Ltd’ (DRAL) and the plant is expected to come up in Maharashtra. However, there was no arrangement for transfer of technology (ToT) as the planes are being acquired in fly-away condition. For ToT to take place, the company is looking at a far bulkier order from the Ministry of Defence, Trappier said.

    “The 36 deliveries will be done by 2022. But if we may get orders to continue these deliveries after 2022 then we can anticipate the production, and start now. But in order to learn the depths of the transfer we need to know how many aircrafts. So it’s a matter of 2017-18. We have to see how many will they order,” Trappier said.


    http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...-more-rafale-jets-in-india/article9545296.ece
     
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  10. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I think he said "The existing order of 36 is not big enough to have 100% transfer of technology." and the journalist report "The existing order of 36 is not big enough to have transfer of technology."
     
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    I believe that in this context, "transfer of technology" meant "local production".
     
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    http://www.deccanherald.com/content/596676/rals-jv-rafale-manufacturer-dassault.html

    RAL's JV with Rafale manufacturer Dassault Aviation incorporated
    Bengaluru, Feb 16, 2017 (PTI)
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    Reliance Aerostructure Limited (RAL)'s Joint Venture with Rafale fighter jet manufacturer Dassault Aviation Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited (DRAL) has been incorporated.

    Eric Trappier, Chairman of Dassault Aviation France, will be the Chairman, and Anil D Ambani, Chairman of Reliance Group, Co-Chairman of DRAL, it was announced at the ongoing Aero India 2017 air show at Yelahanka airbase here.

    Reliance Infrastructure Limited (RInfra)-promoted RAL will have 51 per cent shareholding in the JV and Dassault Aviation (DA) will hold 49 per cent, the company said in a statement.

    In September 2016, India and France signed a purchase agreement for supply of 36 Rafale fighter jets at a value of €7.87 billion, or about Rs 60,000 crore.

    The contract includes a 50 per cent offset obligation to the tune of approximately Rs 30,000 crore, the largest ever offset contract in the country's history.

    Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited will be a key player in the execution of offset obligations.
    DRAL has finalized the Infrastructure requirements at Dhirubhai Aerospace Park at Mihan, Nagpur and the construction work for the greenfield facility will start in May 2017, and production by end-2017, the statement said.

    DRAL will execute the programs in phases, with Phase I resulting in the generation of more than 700 highly-skilled direct jobs and 2,800 indirect jobs, it said.

    DRAL will support Government of India's 'Make in India' and 'Skill India' policies and develop major Indian programs with high levels of technology transfer to benefit the entire aerospace sector.

    The proposed strategic partnership between Dassault and Reliance will also focus on promoting Research and Development projects under the IDDM program (Indigenously Designed, Developed and Manufactured), an initiative of Indian Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, the statement said.
     
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    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    By 12 Marines, do you mean Maritime Strike?
     
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    PARIKRAMA Angel or Devil? Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    Yes, 12 Jags IM are that only..
     
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