Rafale deal signed

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    Thats only 3 squadron of Rafales ? + Jag IM versions are post 2000.
     
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    Dassault to offer Rafale fighter to Indian navy
    Dassault Aviation plans to tender a bid to supply the Indian navy with Rafale fighter jets.

    By Richard Tomkins | Feb. 16, 2017 at 11:59 AM
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    Dassault is preparing to offer its Rafale fighter to the Indian navy. Pictured, a Rafale of the French navy lands on a U.S. aircraft carrier. U.S. Navy photo


    Feb. 16 (UPI) -- Dassault Aviation of France plans to bid on a contract to supply 57 fighter jets to the Indian Navy, the Press Trust of India reported.

    Eric Trappier, chief executive officer of Dassault Aviation, was quoted as telling the agency of the company's planned bid while attending the Aero India 2017 air show.



    "We are the only company to have strictly the same aircraft for our air force and for our navy. Our Rafale for the navy and the air force are same," he said.

    Dassault Aviation recently won a $9.28 billion contract to supply Rafale fighters to the Indian air force.

    The Indian navy last month had issued a Request for Information from aircraft manufacturers after deciding to kill an earlier plan to purchase a naval version of the indigenous Tejas fighter.

    "In case we have the new contract for the navy, we will benefit from the local implementation of the Rafale production [for the air force]," Trappier said.

    Dassault has already begun manufacturing the initial lot of 36 Rafale jets for the Indian air force.

    http://www.upi.com/Defense-News/201...-Rafale-fighter-to-Indian-navy/8741487258158/
     
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    90 RAFALEs under MII is not even a debate. The question has always been on the final numbers on top of that.

    The final RAFALE numbers would depend on the selection of the fighters for IN, Single engine fighters and progress on FGFA (or should I say lack thereof)

    The single engine fighters would be 200+ but if their schedule gets delayed at least another squadron of RAFALEs would be added.

    If FGFA goes kaput add another 3 squadrons would be added.
     
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    A Beauty!:man_in_love:

    Yup
     
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    the figure of 12 Jaguar IM is not a worrisome factor as of now as the conversion of Indian Frontline Warships to BrahMos is well underway. This was very much in the line with the directive given to IN by the GoI till this Government was voted in.

    However, as India looks to project power across South East Asia into Western Pacific and right across West Coast of Africa, the aviation arm does indeed need strengthening.
     
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    Apart from 3 carriers (unfortunately we only have 1 INS Vikramaditya in active service and 1 in pipeline INS Vikrant no confirmation for sister ship of IAC-1, Vishal can come later) Indian Navy needs a minimum 6 to 7 sqdns minimum for coastal security immediately. These can be split between 3-4 SU 30mki and/or 3-4 Rafale sqdns. This will also relieve IAF from providing Protection to entire South India and focus only on 2 northern borders. GOI should seriously consider raising Indian Naval Air Force.
     
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    True that .....

    But I have a speculative opinion about the highlighted aspects.

    In my random opinion :cheesy: , the mandate of IN is still not decided by GoI as Modi still has to see how US responds in South East Asia under China. If Trump is going to take offense to Chinese acts in SCS, then you can expect no major ramping up of Indian Naval power projection capabilities in terms of Aircraft Carriers as the US will be able to contain China in the region.

    However, if there is a persistent weak US action in SCS, Indian defensive and offensive capabilities will be significantly enhanced. Please do understand that there is no role for 'coastal' defence for IN's air wing as of now. That is all non-sense.

    Presently, IN retains (and shall continue to do so) the capability to deny Indian Ocean to China at will. IN's aviation arm is being enhanced to ensure area denial (read sea denial) capability to India beyond Malaccas. You have to read it with the Indian positioning as the net security provider for South East Asia. The GoI is interested in enhancing that position for itself in order to ensure that the SLOCs are maintained not only for India but for others too under Freedom of Navigation under UN.

    India will not allow any unilateral action in SCS to go unchallenged. Towards this, the regular voyages being undertaken by IN in the area are an indicator of Indian intent.

    It is actually hilarious to see Chinese Naval vessel pester Indian Naval Ships in SCS to leave the waters or 'steer clear' of them. One has to understand that even the Chinese know that IN vessels on voyages are armed and dangerous. And the Captains have been given instructions to ensure their own safety first and foremost and to take all actions necessary to ensure their assignment is completed and Indian Standards remain high, including elimination of all potential threats.

    The Chinese know that it is not a joke with IN ..... with others they can try stunts .... IN is and remains a potent force to reckon with, even in SCS!
     
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    Are there well defined red lines about this? Or is it just posturing?

    I mean, I don't know what India can do if the Chinese start invading islands.

    We did demonstrate that. :biggthumpup:

    https://www.wired.com/2008/11/indian-frigate/
     
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    Hence my statement ...... Freedom o Navigation under UN.

    Red Lines are as broadly told above. if a PLAN ship was to engage an IN ship, it shall be dealt with extreme force.
     
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    No MKIs for IN, the IN is npt interested in shore based fighters. They only want carrier fighters, they will deploy some of their fighters for coastal security roles in the future but they will never buy dedicated shore based fighters that can't operate from carriers, that is the IAF's domain.
     
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    The total need is 400 to 450 planes for IAF.
    Even with 200+ SE, there's a lot of space for more Rafale. I didn't agree with the 200+ Rafale figure, but a total of 90 to 120 Rafale seems realistic.

    The 57 for IN is a bonus in my mind.
     
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    90 MII + 63 follow-on option + 57 Navy = 210

    That's where the 200+ figure comes from..
     
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    Well at least 126 are assured (36 already ordered and 90 under MII are under talks). We can add 18 on top of this (follow on clause for the 36 unit fly away order).

    The 57 units for the IN also seems very likely (if DA doesn't blow it).

    If I was a betting man I would also say that once the Rafale MII is set up the IAF (and IN) will go for seriously more orders, just as the MKI's production has exceeded all early projections (eventually the MKI fleet will be 330-340 units).


    36+90+18+57= 201 (minimum).

    If the IAF goes for a 100% repeat by instead of just 18 off the shelf post 2018/19 then this is 219 units (the 220 figure was mentioned quite a few times here).

    If the IN gets their 57 for IAC-1 and the sister ship for the IAC-1 is ordered then another 45-57 M/NH will be ordered.
     

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