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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Ty Tejpal. Already contacted Joe (Hushkit) for french translation ;)
     
  2. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    Any truth in this report? @halloweene @CNL-PN-AA @Picdelamirand-oil

    http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/content/egypt-receive-additional-rafale-fighter-jets-2017
    This shows that the production line is far more fluid than thought.
     
  3. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The delivery is 3 in 2015, 6 in 2016 and 5 in 2017. The production is 6 in 2015 with 3 delivered in 2016, 3 in 2016, and 5 in 2017.
     
  4. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    I think the article is referring to an increase in rate of delivery.
     
  5. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    It is possible because the low level of production in 2016 was to upgrade the assembly line to increase the rate of production. But at short term Dassault have to fulfill its obligations as a priority.
     
  6. BMD

    BMD Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    http://armadainternational.com/assets/images/pdf/3._AESA_Radar_Technology_.pdf

    If mounted to look straight ahead, a fixed AESA array can be a liability in a fighter, since it can strongly reflect the signal from an enemy radar, greatly increasing the aircraft’s RCS. The obvious solution is to mount the array in a tilted position.

    Inevitably, there is a performance penalty for using a tilted antenna—the performance against near-boresight targets will be sub-optimal. A 30 degree tilt is reported to result in a 15 per cent reduction in performance.

    Mounting an AESA on a mechanism that allows it to be steered not only allows the array to be positioned to minimise its frontal-sector RCS when not in use, but can also be used to increase the radar’s field-of-regard, or to direct it towards a sector of interest in order to obtain the best long-range performance. Once an air-to air missile has been fired, the wider angular coverage made possible by a moveable array will allow the fighter to turn away from its opponent in order to avoid closing range to the point when it is in danger of encountering return missile fire.
     
  7. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    And if moving, a radar will blink like hell. Pros and cons...

    Btw, i sincerely hope there will be a second saudi order otherwise Typhoon program is over.
     
  8. DrSomnath999

    DrSomnath999 Major RESEARCHER

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    How would current 4.5 gen european fighters counter russian & chinese double digit SAM , should be the main topic of discussion .
    Can you write an article on that or i have to take the pain to write it .

    S 400 /HQ 9 pose a serious threat to rafale /even gripen if india selects it for Light MMRCA as Chinese going to deploy that in
    eastern border of china .

    CHEERS
     
  9. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Hmm someone is editing en.wikipedia giving youtube reference for "official range" of asraam...
     
  10. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    ASRAAM was selected in the IAF for the Jaguars as a short range missile. It beat the Python V for L1.

    Don't forget that the ASRAAM has a dual pulse motor.
     
  11. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I have no problem with asraam being an excellent WVR missile : agile and fast. But saying it has longer range than Mica is just ridiculous. Nvm. In the meanwhile... Nice config...

     
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    BMD Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Nope, it isn't.

    CAMM has same motor as ASRAAM and has >25% more range than VL MICA, despite CAMM weighing more than ASRAAM.

    http://www.mbda-systems.com/camm-solution/camm/
    http://www.mbda-systems.com/ground-based-air-defence/vl-mica/

    http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/uk-complex-weapons/common-anti-air-modular-missile/

    The missile itself takes a great deal from ASRAAM but it is not a surface launched ASRAAM with a new name. Common components include the very low signature rocket motor from Roxel, the warhead and proximity fuse from Thales.

    [​IMG]

    Explain how a heavier missile with the same motor has >25% greater range than MICA but ASRAAM doesn't. Scientifically impossible I'm afraid.

    The Common Data Link (CDL) is the small ‘black box’ that sits on top of the mast, especially clear in pictures of FLAADS(L) although it doesn’t necessarily have to use the two-way data link to the launch vehicle, so, it could take mid-course corrections from any number of suitably equipped land or air platforms and then switch to active homing when it gets close enough. The original launch platform could have even moved by the time the missile hits.
     
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  13. randomradio

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    What's up with this discussion? IAF lists ASRAAM as a short range WVR missile and MICA as a medium range BVR missile. IAF has both missiles.

    Where's the confusion?
     
  14. Ezco

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    There is no Confusion... BMD is posting BS as usual. He was ridiculised on other forum for this point, he just try to continue here... using another pseudo.
     
  15. BMD

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    The facts speak for themselves. If CAMM has a longer range than VL MICA, it's impossible for ASRAAM not to have a longer range than MICA. Scientifically impossible. If CAMM has a range of >25km fired from ground level, it's impossible for ASRAAM (with same motor but lighter and boat-tailed), launched from a 600mph platform at 40,000ft not to have a range several times that, just as MICA does several times 20km when launched from an aircraft.

    Where's the confusion in that, it's a scientific fact of physics and as such irrefutable.
     

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