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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. BON PLAN

    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Do you really think a 8 billions bid is inked just for the show ? Sure not.

    I hope we will have more details about this bid in the near futur, but I think you underestimate all the compensations. About rafale and about other things... (nuclear simulation, SSN tech ?, missile engine tech ? ...)

    France and India are making a strong relationship in these fields. Because there are mutual interests :
    India is late on some tech, but is a great market.
    France is on par (or near) with US tech but its market is small.
    And France never ceased to give support and weapons even when India was "banned" by UN
     
  2. Immanuel

    Immanuel 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    There is no missile engine tech (false shit being peddled), SSN tech (we don't need it), nuclear simulation (please!! again not needed, we have been doing this for years), late on what tech really? We have already developed GAN in house, matter of funding and moving on, We are ahead from France in RAM and SCRAM tech, our Agni range of missiles are among the most accurate in the world. France is not on par with the US, you are only on par with some EU countries. US and Russia are way ahead of France in many things.
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    How many composite in the MKI?
    How many friction welding parts or superplastic titanium components in the MKI?

    MKI making circles around Rafale? OK, when Rafale fly straight forward....:France:
     
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    Bregs 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    well despite all the bad vibes with abrupt end to MMRCA deal with only 36 Rafales signed. there are many positives to be expected specifically with regard to newly formed strategic level bonding between India and France which was earlier seen only with Russia and now US is too trying to do the same but wont succeed for variety of reasons

    Lets hope 36 fighters is not the end of Rafales saga and follow up deal might happen in changed terms and conditions
     
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  5. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    That is what fanboys say. The helmet issue is NOT fixed (still blurring at night, albeit less). The ejection seat in relation is not solved yet. Using GenIII Lite helmet means you go in the air with day OR night visor. And there is no place to put the extra visor in the cockpit atm. Targo II is integrated in Rafale , aswell as scorpion.... Shouting "we know this isseu and it is more or less fixed" like JPO says doese not mean it is fixed. Data fusion still doese not work. Engine fire did not receive a definitive fix. Tanks fragility (liners were removed) did not get ANY attempt to fix.
    etc. etc.
    Instead of dismissing Gilmore without reading it, why not take time to read it?
     
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    GuardianRED Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    There are 200+ pages here and 400+ pages on PDF , with no one showing this so call "HIDING of the COSTS" and you still not able to answer to why the Govt hasn't cancelled the negotiation/deal or everyone favorite word - BLACKLIST!!!

    Unless you remove this "Hiding these Cost" info from you back pocket and show this to the rest of us - there is pretty much no use fuelling your nonsense theories!

    Good Day!
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    MRCA was one thing.
    36 Rafale bid is another one, with differents things inside.

    India decided to ink one and not the other. India was free to to what she wants. And there was plenty other solutions...
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Sure you don't need SSN tech. It's why India lease a russian SSN and need another one....
    Nuclear cold simulation : I don't think you are equipped for. You always rely on real tests...
     
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    Immanuel 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Who gives a flying **** how many pages there were, I know for a fact the details of how corrupt this deal is, regardless of the Rafale being a decent 4.5 gen aircraft from MRCA down to the current one. I don't two flying shits what you have to say either.
     
  10. Immanuel

    Immanuel 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Again stop spreading misinformation, you of all people know nothing about India's strategic capabilities. We lease a Russian sub because we are too busy in red tape for designing and building our own.
     
  11. Immanuel

    Immanuel 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Stop trying so hard to be a douche, The F-35 is still an aircraft still under testing just like the LCA and will be so till 2020. The facts are as long as issues are discovered during test phase, one can fix them over time which means when all issues are sorted by 2020-21, the aircraft is good for 60 years of service. Unlike the French who seem to debug while doing combat missions. Also the Rafale went into service with hardly any weapons on board all these years and still a rather limited weapon capability, heck pound for pound even our Jags have a more varied weapon set.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    You have nothing to bring to this forum except bullshit. Keep continuing this and your stay's gonna be really short. Consider this your first warning.

    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ines/articleshow/46282586.cms?intenttarget=no
    In a major step towards building a formidable blue-water Navy for the future, the Modi government has cleared the indigenous construction of seven stealth frigates and six nuclear-powered attack submarines, which together will cost well upwards of Rs 1 lakh crore.
     
  13. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    We saw the same in the LUH competition, that might have lost Airbus a 200 helicopter deal, because the PM jumped on an offer of Putin during his visit, which also lead to scrapping a tender. And when you have followed the arguments the PM had after the deal, it was clear that he was justifying it with having spent just 8 billion, while the tender (that the former government had pushed) had cost more. So 8 billion is

    Do you honestly think your country / your companies would give out critical compensation for just 36 fighters of the shelf?

    Which is exactly what I am hoping for, but Dassault is just a minor part of the Indo French relation and that is the point! We see your politicians, Airbus, MBDA, Thales, Safran, DCNS and so on committing themselves to India, which is great. But we don't see anything from Dassault other then following their own interests. That's why I agree to @Picdelamirand-oil that Dassault is certainly happy with the deal, because they got what they wanted, money, but that doesn't make it a good deal!
    Just 36 fighters doesn't make a difference for Indian defence, the offsets won't make a difference for Indian defence industry and even for Dassault, loosing out on around 12 billion more is a loss, if we are honest.
    So a follow deal with licence production is imminent to actually declare a success. But at this point, there is not much that hints to that.
     
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    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I'd be grateful if you could stay polite. The problem (and once again i kindly advise you to read the report, it is less than 100 pages long) is that th eF-35 will not be ready in time for official tests. You want an example? The data transfer pod for tests isnt even yet ordered... Sancho, i do not think there will be real progress until new administration is in place. It could be quite fast, but still i'd say nothing until september. (no clue)
     
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    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    About nuclear sim, making purely computed sims and using Megajoule power lasers so as to simulate fusion are different things. Even the english are now doing simulations in France now.
     
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