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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. Sahil ecclstone

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    Out of thread question from a newbie.... Wht will be the tonnage of our own nuclear attack subs n how good will they be? Might as well add a timeline
     
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    upload_2017-4-21_10-47-55.png Next-Gen. Rafale F4 to Fly in 2023
    Addressing the growing domestic and international demand for the French fighter aircraft, Dassault and the French Defense Procurement Agency (DGA) will soon begin a six-year development phase of the next-generation Rafale F4. The French Minister of Defense, Mr. Jean-Yves Le Drian, authorized the start of development of the next generation variant of the Rafale. The aircraft will introduce new capacities empowered by the modern missile and engine technologies.

    The new variant will follow the Rafale F3-R currently in development and scheduled to complete the qualification testing next year. Dassault now produces Rafales to fulfill French orders for 180 aircraft, along with sales of 78 more aircraft for Egypt and India. The French Air Force could order additional 45 as it phases out older Mirage 2000 aircraft. The first fully equipped F4 aircraft are expected to enter service in 2025, though certain functions will be available in 2023. It will be part of the fifth production tranche (2019-2025), delivering on French and export orders.


    Since France plans to maintain the Rafale with its air and naval air forces at least through 2040, the French Ministry of Defense invests in the continuous modernization and upgrading of the aircraft. €1 billion were allocated for the development of the current variant – F3-R, which will integrate the Meteor, MBDA’s new extended-range air/air missile. Relying on a new AESA radar fitted to the aircraft the Meteor will be able to engage aerial targets from ranges exceeding 100 km. In the air/ground domain, the F3-R variant will be cleared to carry the new target designation pod PDL-NG from Thales. Other upgrades include the installation of an upgraded Link 16 terminal, improved – Mod 5 compatible IFF and buddy refueling pods for the French Navy’s Rafale N.

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    Rafale Pilot using the Fighter Sphere tablet. Sphere is an integrated Electronic Flight Bag (EFB) that greatly reduces pilot workload dealing with important but non-critical tasks during pre-flight and in flight. Photo: Dassault Aviation by P. Sagnes.
    Given its role replacing Mirage 2000 variants currently in service, Rafale F4 will likely include weapon integration modifications to include new variants of air/air Mica, Scalp and the nuclear cruise missile ASMP-A (currently deployed exclusively on Mirage 2000N). However, due to the relatively short span of the program, it is likely to focus mainly on capabilities based on software and limited hardware upgrades.

    Further, into the future, the program could introduce significant airframe changes, as part of the Rafale’s mid-life modifications. These upgrades could include cockpit redesign or introduction of low-observability modifications to better position this 4.5 generation fighter against modern and future fighters.

    “The F4 standard will incorporate operational experience feedback and enable continuous improvement of the RAFALE to be maintained. It will reinforce the national skills and technological capabilities essential for preparing the development of the next generation of combat aircraft”, stated Eric Trappier, Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation. “I am also delighted that the Defense Ministry underlines the need to continue with the acquisition of the Rafale, beyond the 4th tranche currently in production, in order primarily to meet the needs of the French Air Force,” Trappier added.

    The Rafale entered service with the French Navy in 2004 and with the French Air Force in 2006. With more than 30,000 flight hours in operations, it has proven its worth in combat in Afghanistan, Libya, Mali, Iraq, and Syria. Beyond France (180 aircraft ordered) the Rafale was ordered by Egypt (24), Qatar (24) and India (32).

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    Rafale B delivered to Egypt seen here in flight. Photo: Dassault Aviation – A. Pecchi.
     
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  3. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Do you honestly believe that your country will buy only 36 Rafale?
    For military activities Dassault follow what the French government decide. I remind to you that the DGA was supportive of the Dassault position. And even if you thing that there is few investisment from Dassault, there is a lot. Dassault is on a better position to win a MII follow on order for 90 Rafale now than it was to win the MMRCA tender.
    You are alone to believe that.
     
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    I expect after the news about bribes and corruption come out about this deal on the 36 and the endless arguments over how the Rafales are to be equipped and serviced it will be the last deal for Rafales. This deal was more like India finding out they were up to ass deep in aligators and finding out it was too late to drain the swamp.
     
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    Rafale demo during Trlat exercise at Langley AFB. A first in America i think.

     
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    Atlantic Trident 2017 leverages fifth-gen capabilities
    By Staff Sgt. Natasha Stannard, 633rd Air Base Wing Public Affairs / Published April 19, 2017



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    A U.S. Air Force F-35 Lightning II assigned to Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., prepares to land during Atlantic Trident 2017 at Joint Base Langley-Eustis, Va., April 16, 2017. The goal of the exercise was to enhance interoperability through combined coalition aerial campaigns. (U.S. Air Force photo/Airman 1st Class Tristan Biese)

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    A U.S. Air Force F-35 Lightning II assigned to Mountain Home Air Force Base, Fla., prepares to land during Atlantic Trident 2017 at Joint Base Langley-Eustis, Va., April 16, 2017. Allied nations participate in similar exercises throughout the world; however, this is the first to focus on greater integration of the U.S. Air Force's fifth-generation aircraft capabilities. (U.S. Air Force photo/Airman 1st Class Tristan Biese)

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    U.S. Air Force Airmen assigned to the 366th Maintenance Group at Mountain Home Air Force Base, Idaho, assists an F-15E Strike Eagle pilot at Joint Base Langley-Eustis, Va., April 14, 2017. The U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and T-38 Talons played the roles of adversary aircraft during the Atlantic Trident 2017 exercise. (U.S. Air Force photo/Airman 1st Class Tristan Biese)

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    A U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagle assigned to Mountain Home Air Force Base, Idaho, arrives for Atlantic Trident 2017 at Joint Base Langley-Eustis, Va., April 14, 2017. Approximately 225 U.S. Air Force, 175 Royal air force and 150 French air force service members participated in the exercise. (U.S. Air Force photo/Airman 1st Class Tristan Biese)

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    U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles assigned to Mountain Home Air Force Base, Idaho, taxis on the runway during Atlantic Trident 2017 at Joint Base Langley-Eustis, Va., April 14, 2017. The 1st Fighter Wing hosted the exercise to focus on greater integration of the U.S. Air Force's fifth-generation capabilities. (U.S. Air Force photo/Airman 1st Class Tristan Biese)

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    A Royal air force Eurofighter Typhoon taxis on the runway during Atlantic Trident 2017 at Joint Base Langley-Eustis, Va., April 10, 2017. U.S. Air Force Airmen worked with the Royal air force and the French air force during the exercise to enhance interoperability through combined coalition aerial campaigns. (U.S. Air Force photo/Airman 1st Class Tristan Biese)

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    A Royal air force Eurofighter Typhoon taxis on the runway during Atlantic Trident 2017 at Joint Base Langley-Eustis, Va., April 14, 2017. The RAF participated in the exercise, which focused on operations in a highly contested operational environment through a variety of complex, simulated adversary scenarios. (U.S. Air Force photo/Airman 1st Class Tristan Biese)

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    U.S. Air Force Airman 1st Class Devonte Prescott, 1st Maintenance Squadron, 27th Aircraft Maintenance Unit crew chief, awaits the go-ahead from an F-22 Raptor pilot during Atlantic Trident 2017 at Joint Base Langley-Eustis, Va., April 18, 2017. Atlantic Trident 2017 is the second trilateral exercise at JBLE where U.S. Air Force Airmen will partner with the Royal air force and the French air force. (U.S. Air Force photo/Senior Airman Kimberly Nagle)

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    A crew chief from the 1st Maintenance Squadron 27th Aircraft Maintenance Unit performs a final checks on an F-22 Raptor during Atlantic Trident 2017 at Joint Base Langley-Eustis, Va., April 18, 2017. Approximately 225 U.S. Air Force, 175 Royal air force and 150 French air force service members participated in the exercise. (U.S. Air Force photo/Senior Airman Kimberly Nagle)

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    An F-22 Raptor pilot begins to taxi before takeoff during Atlantic Trident 2017 at Joint Base Langley-Eustis, Va., April 18, 2017. The goal of AT17 is to enhance interoperability through combined coalition aerial campaigns. (U.S. Air Force photo/Senior Airman Kimberly Nagle)


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    JOINT BASE LANGLEY-EUSTIS, Va. --


    The 1st Fighter Wing is on its second week of Atlantic Trident 2017, an exercise at at Joint Base Langley-Eustis focusing on leveraging fifth-generation fighter capabilities with partnering nations.
    For the past week, U.S. Air Force F-22 Raptor and F-35A Lightning II pilots have flown combat training missions with Royal air force Typhoon Eurofighter and French air force Dassault Rafale pilots to develop tactics, techniques and procedures to defeat adversaries around the world.

    These anti-access/aerial denial missions, or A2AD, utilize U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagle and T-38 Talon pilots as adversaries. The nature of A2AD missions provide a highly contested environment where adversaries have the upper-hand, creating barriers that limit U.S. and allied efforts.

    This month marks the 100th anniversary of the U.S. entering World War I. Col. Peter Fesler, 1st FW commander, said he looks forward to the opportunity of training with the nation’s longest-standing allies.

    “We’ve been side-by-side together, the Brits, the French and the Americans in air combat,” said Fesler. “This exercise is an extension of that. I think this is an opportunity for us to continue to refine our skills, our tactics, techniques and procedures to fight the war that we all know is coming. We don’t know where, we don’t know when; but we know it’s coming, and we’ve got to be ready to fight together.”

    In addition to the A2AD training, the U.S. Air Force and French air force are scheduled to display their capabilities with aerial demonstrations provided by the F-22 Demo Team and the Patrouille de France.
     
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  7. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    I hope they buy 90 more, but the government indicates something else. The DM stated clearly no more and even now we see the government considering anything else, but Rafales.

    Which is not possible, unless Dassault accept the liability and guarantee clause! Because no matter which Indian company gets the licence production, it will be a procurement under the dpp. It's not just an optional deal to the 36 via G2G. Dassault might lobby with Reliance to get around HAL, but they can't get around the dpp right?

    From the DPP 2016
    http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4699/zrg5dega_png.htm


    Besides, when did you saw the last news about MoD and Dassault in talks about more?
     
  8. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Meaning?
     
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    Last Wednesday ...
     
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  10. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Link please
     
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  12. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    And did anything happened? :smile:
     
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    Something happens every time this type of meeting occurs.
    Most of what I said in my past posts already came true, the rest will soon come true too. :)
     
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    And what's your prediction?
     
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    The future is bright.
     

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