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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. Picdelamirand-oil

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    Forgive him. He has yet to recover from double shock of first Rafale deal for IAF and second-Donald Trump's win. I hope he does not go out shooting people in his neighbourhood shouting-Communists are coming.
     
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    I was wrong about Trump, wonder how its all going to work out.
     
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    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    Trump is neither racist, sexist nor homophobic. He was in show bizz for years. Everything will be normal.

    He doesn't have much experience in politics, but he will learn well.

    He will win a second term also, calling it right now.
     
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    Pretty much, it was something he had to do to win the Republican nomination and get the necessary votes. He's actually a Liberal, and even less of a Republican than Clinton. Some of his advisors/cabinet appointments are mildly concerning, and there is the fringe right within his support base, but I'm not particularly worried by Trump to be honest.
     
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    White Anglo Saxon Phychopaths
     
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    Seems u retired frm the othr forum,,,i heard somthng which needs to be confirmed,,apparently thr will be no MII for rafale nor any rafales for navy,,,atmost anothr 18+18 maybe bought off the shelf for IAF.
    MII for anothr jet on cards,,decision to be taken post 2018:alcoholic:
    The circus continues,,,,,,,,,,
     
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  9. flanker143

    flanker143 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    the benefits of the rafale deal can be reaped only if it is ordered in great numbers...MOD knows this.

    So sit back nd relax because we wont see f18 or f16 or gripen in IAF colours and watch LM ,Boeing and SAAB work their ass off trying to get a bit of this massive pie which they wont.
     
  10. Lion of Rajputana

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    Any sources that confirm this?
     
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    flanker143 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    yeah a very strong one at that - its called Logic.

    Reliance wouldn't have been in this game if it didnt involve big numbers, Dassault Reliance Aerospace JV wouldn't have existed if it had involved only 36 ac, think of it as a precursor to the multiple tranche orders that will follow soon. An assembly line will be set under this JV that will fulfil these tranche order also taking care of the MII initiative.

    today IAF needs a potent deep strike AC like Rafale that has confirmed future support+growth potential which f16 and f18 simply cant offer(gripen just doesnt cut it). IAF has experienced this first hand with its mig 27s so it wont go for something that is in the last phase of its product cycle so this completely rules out f18 and f16.

    contrary to popular belief mmrca/rafale was never a response for the delay in tejas program.
    there will be massive void in IAF after mig 23/27s and mig21s are retired, u may also see that lwf rfi was released after the rafale deal was signed confirming that rafale had nothing to do with the retirement of migs.

    we will need an aircraft that can take up the cap and cas roles , and for this there will be a requirement of nearly 300 ac. now thats a big effin pie if you ask me which is exactly what has got these big players like LM and SAAB drooling around.

    but choosing f16 or gripen would mean end of the road for Tejas and the combined lobby of DRDO, HAL, ADA will just not let that happen. This very same dpsu lobby might prove to be a hurdle in vstol jockey's project.
     
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  12. Lion of Rajputana

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    You say logic is your source, but the problem is that Parikrama, who is well connected, has lately been saying certain things which put a bit of doubt on the future of the Rafales beyond the original 36 and small follow on tranches. That's why I asked for a source, but if you're that convinced you're right, great, I'm in the Rafale corner anyways.

    You say Boeing/LM won't get any of the pie but again, there has been an unbelievable amount of chatter regarding MII F-16s and production line transfer etc, and again according to certain users w/ inside info, the Rafale may not get the nod for the Indian Naval Air Arm requirement.

    As for DRDO/HAL etc, there is a bigger lobby, foreign imports lobby; and considering that DRDO couldn't do anything when the Army chose not to buy too many Arjuns and instead went for mass orders of T90's (including a recent order of ~400 tanks), I'm not sure how much of a say they have if the IAF were to simply refuse to buy any Tejas after the initial 120 or so.

    And what is vstol jockey's project which you mentioned?
     
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    flanker143 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    well my opinion is based on what logic dictates
    lets see how it unfolds.

    all that chatter aka BS is emanating only from journalists who enjoy free trips to these oems and get exclusive treatments. now they'd love to write how awesome their products are cuz they want to have the next free trip aswell.

    afaik when the t90 deal was made, IGA for 1600 t90 was signed , this order of 400 t90s is just another tranche of that. even after these 1600 t90s there is a huge potential for arjun, those t72s are not going to be around forever, unless they get the tank ex upgrade they are bound be replaced by new build arjuns.

    IA has maintained nearly 4000s mbts and when they starts retiring their 2500 t72s..........yeah right thats how big the potential is for arjun. Just wait till mk2 is thoroughly trialled , we will see a huge order for mk2.

    on the bright side arjun mk2 is shaping up to be a truly world class mbt, it will be a massive success just like dhruv.

    vstol jockey's light strike aircraft project.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major IDF NewBie

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    Sadly we cannot rely on logic trumping madness.

    Already this DM has taken some very questionable decsions and flipflopped countless times on many issues. He is clearly out of his depth and the logical decsions may not seem so to him.

    I 100% agree with the entirity of your post, the ONLY sensible thing to do is order (a LOT) more Rafales but I can also see this DM royally screwing things up.

    You would think with the Rafale deal signed that would be the death of all of these BS rumours but they have only intensified and become more ridiculous, you'd at least think another twin engined jet was off the table but absurdly Boeing are making a renewed pitch for the F-18!
     
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