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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I told you that MII is a separate deal to be negotiated at the time of final deal signing which is still a couple of months away.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    I'm sure J-20s will have terrible problems with Rafale.:rofl:
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Nevertheless the inclusion of that line seems to provide scope to just exit after these 36. 'Unless fresh negotiations happen' seems to suggest that there's a possibility they won't.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Pls don't trust this idiot. We have always posted better and correct info on this forum. he is one person who may not even know the difference between his elbow and his ass.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Well he's the same guy who said Su-30s hammered Typhoons in training and he was taken as Gospel then.
     
  6. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I also posted the same thing before he did. Why are you not trusting me?
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    His trust is selective...
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Well I'm asking, should we believe this guy or not?

    I personally don't trust anything that comes out after training exercises unless it gets covered in a major aviation magazine. So many contradictory reports, BS blogs etc. E.g. French blogs always say they won, but even the much touted Swiss eval put the Typhoon 30% ahead on aircraft performance.
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The J-20 is not conscious and therefore can not have problems, but the pilot of J-20 will have problems if he meets Rafale.
     
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    Problems deciding how to kill it. Too many options.
     
  11. PARIKRAMA

    PARIKRAMA Angel or Devil? Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    There is a specific reason that escalation is restricted to a max 3.5% and also the fact that clause is far more wider than assumed 50% of the deal of first batch.
     
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    And who forced this escalation as 3.5% with examples of Airbus? Escalation is based on WPI of a nation and irrespective of the product, it is a fixed value. France cud not have asked us a different escalation for Rafale when they had agreed to 3.5% to Indian civilian operators of Airbus-320. I don't want to divulge much but these presstitutes and intellectual prostitute must know that this nation has more qualified people than what they are. France had refused to come down from 5% till I sent some data and they did not know where to look during negotiations.
     
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    Rafale is done to avoid the high BVR (discretion, detection and avoidance of threats, jamming ...) and WVR (it will fire its Mica IR before being in range of enemies heaters). For modern combat aircraft in air-to-air, USA tend to say that the dog-fight is already a form of tactical failure. In fact, it is even worse for the Rafale since it is the only modern aircraft to carry only the BVR missiles! Sure, the MICA-IR is also very good for dog-fight but in practice, the combination MICA-IR / OSF-TV allows the Rafale to the fight WVR well beyond the typical scope of a dog-fight.
     
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    PARIKRAMA Angel or Devil? Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    Xposting

    Thales Chief Patrick Caine in a interview with Shereen Bhan show at 9 pm said the following

    • For Thales, its a strategic partnership with India not a deal
    • The scope involves cutting edge technology for the Rafales
    • They are going to invest a lot under MII in Indian companies to build up the chain
    • TOT is part of contracted terms and possibilities.

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    Basically the context of the above statement is very important as the deal includes
    • 50% offset clause under which Thales and Dassault Group has to invest in India
    • The investment is to create a Indian MIC ecosystem to support and build Rafales in India
    • The offset amounts to Rs29K crores
    • The deal specifies that out of Rs 29K crores
      • 74 % of this amount or Rs 21460 Crores or approx Euro 2.9 Bn is via local manufacturing of components for meeting this order
      • It is mandatory to do sourcing of this much amount from local Indian MIC
      • Also included is a 26% of this amount to share the TOT aspect with local vendors with whom they will have a partnership
    Now from the Thales website press release
    Thales provides a number of state-of-the-art equipment and systems aboard the Rafale. They include the RBE2 AESA radar, the Spectra electronic warfare system, optronics, the communication navigation and identification system (CNI), the majority of the cockpit display systems, power generation systems and a logistics support component.
    This contract will create hundreds of jobs on Thales manufacturing sites, in particular at Elancourt, Bordeaux, Brest and Etrelles, as well as for numerous partners and sub-contractors.


    With a presence in India since 1953, Thales currently employs over 300 people at its Indian branch. The Thales India headquarters is located in New Delhi, and it has other operational offices and sites at Hyderabad, Bangalore, Chennai and Mumbai. Thales plays an essential role in India's growth, by sharing its technology and its expertise on the defense, transportation and aerospace markets. Thales' strategy of developing its industrial presence in India is in line with the Indian Government's "Make in India" policy. Thales has formed several cooperative partnerships with public and private sector industries. Thales has been closely associated with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) for more than 50 years and has formed joint ventures with Samtel, Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) and L&T Technology Services.

    https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide/defence/press-release/indian-air-force-signs-36-rafale
     
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    Have a look at what J-20 or F-35 has to offer and you will know that they will be picked up early and also shot down easily. The ultimate frontier is space and Lasers. Whosoever wins this game, will go on to become a galactic warrior.
     

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