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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    To you maybe...

    - they bought US fighters for protection and political benefits.

    - they bought European fighters, to get stand off strike capabilities, the US wouldn't provide

    - they bought Chinese drones, which Europe doesn't have yet and the US wouldn't provide

    - they seek joint development of 5th gen fighters, that neither Europe, nor the US will provide
     
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  2. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Because it was a government to government deal, unrelated to Dassaults offers. Without political intervention and a PM that wanted to score some PR points, not even the 36 would had been bought.
     
  3. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Well, you simplified it. But all deals they made are political, not technical.
     
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    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    :lol:
     
  5. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Because it is simple and we are doing the same. We were interested in Rafale because it promised us technical and industrial advantages, the US can't give us. Russia and Israel are our closest defence partners, because no other countries would provide us with similar arms technologies and even if we go for F16s or F18s, it would be to get access to F35 or catapult technologies, that only the US can offer us.
     
  6. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    We were not "interested" in the Rafale. The Rafale won a competitive tender.

    Yes, Russia and Israel give us the best tech. During the Soviet times, our relationship was political, but this time it is purely based on technical merits.

    The Gulf don't follow the same rules. We chase technologies, the Gulf don't. They have no interest in the technologies. That's why their inductions don't follow logic, their purchases do not serve the purpose of achieving military objectives.
     
  7. CNL-PN-AA

    CNL-PN-AA 2nd Lieutant MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Russia gives India the best tech ... What would it be if Russians gave India their worst tech ???????


    http://www.opex360.com/2017/08/10/l...-problemes-avec-ses-avions-embarques-mig-29k/


    The Indian Navy still has problems with its MiG-29K
    Posted in Naval Forces by Laurent Lagneau
    The 10-08-2017


    sent to Jane's 360, that "it should be mentioned that the INS Vikramaditya and [INS] Vikrant aircraft carriers are adapted to operate Russian aircraft, including the MiG- 29K / KUB. All ship technical systems were produced in Russia and were designed to operate only with MiG aircraft. "

    Only, the Russian manufacturer wakes up a little late. While it is true that on 5 August, Defense News published an article on the recurring problems of the Indian Navy with its 45 MiG-29K, the information it contained had already been revealed three weeks earlier by a Indian weekly newspaper, India Today.

    Thus, according to the latter, who quoted a source in the Indian Navy, the MiG-29K would not be "resistant enough" to support the landing. This was confirmed by several sources at Defense News.

    "After each landing on the aircraft carrier, components of the aircraft crack, break or stop working. The aircraft then goes to the workshop to be repaired and to receive parts that are often coming from Russia, "said Admiral Arun Prakash, a former Chief of Staff of the Indian Navy.

    Also, New Delhi would like its MiG-29K to be "more robust". "The Russians have sent technical teams to investigate the problem and find a solution because the aircraft is still under warranty period," said India Today. Moreover, an official of the Indian Ministry of Defense said, Defense News reports, that Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) can not intervene. "Without the authorization of the manufacturer, it is difficult to make changes," he said.

    "The truth is that the Indian Navy has virtually funded the development of this aircraft [the Russian Navy recently acquired at 24 copies]. If the Russians had an ethic, they would see to it that every disadvantage was settled free of charge, "Admiral Prakash said.

    These structural problems of the MiG-29K are not the only ones. Last year, the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG, the Indian equivalent of the Court of Auditors) had blunted the $ 2.2 billion program by denouncing aircraft that were not compliant To the expectations of the Indian Navy.And to mention quality defects concerning the RD-MK33 engines, the cell and the electric flight controls. Hence the low availability of these planes, which are now the only Indian fighter ships after the withdrawal of the Sea Harrier.

    However, the Indian Navy plans to build 57 new aircraft as part of its Multi Role Carrier Borne Fighters (MRCBF) program. According to the latter's specifications, the aircraft to be retained must be capable of being operated from a STOBAR (Short Take-Off But Arrested Recovery), or CATOBAR (Catapult Assisted Take-Off Barrier Arrested Recovery , Which will be the configuation of the next "Indigenous Aircraft Carrier" that is planning to build New Delhi). French manufacturer Dassault Aviation intends to win the Rafale M, as well as Boeing with its F / A-18 Super Hornet and Saab, which plans to submit a naval version of its JAS-39 Gripen E / F.
     
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    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    These are typical lobby articles. I'm sure you remember the large number of anti-Rafale articles printed throughout 2016. History is repeating, but this time the Mig-29K is in the crossfire.

    When they use unnamed sources, the article is completely worthless.

    That quote about parts cracking or breaking happened in the beginning when the aircraft was new. It's not a problem anymore. As mentioned, the aircraft are still under warranty. During the recent Malabar exercises in June, the Mig-29K had 100% mission rate.

    The success of the Mig-29K in the IN is what made the Russians also buy the Mig-29K for the Kuznetsov.
     
  9. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    That is something that people will never understand.

    I am amazed how people can be so daft as to not see what is happening! CAG audit thrashes Indian Armed Forces, an organisation which is prohibited from speaking publicly or privately to defend itself, invariably every other day, a newspaper article comes wherein 'hollowness' is exhibited, it is like a pugilist having both hands tied behind the back to fight a bout .

    Yet, with the emerging security challenges, no one takes into account the fact that neither the Indian Military Leadership, nor the political leadership, is so daft as to be the clowns they are made out to be.

    Does it take a genius to figure out what is happening? Suddenly, MR-SAM and QR-SAM were already on ground, and last March, elsewhere, the claim was being looked at circumspectly, when, along with @Ankit Kumar 001, we indicated three active IAF units :D
     
  10. NKVD

    NKVD Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    CAG Blow things Out Of the Per-potions It seems after UPA Scams They became more Of media savy

    There Auditors Follow up Our Department of Defense Accounts (CGDA)Reports But Show It like they have the propriety on It
     
  11. BON PLAN

    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    There is some space between the main landing gear. Maybe not for 2 bombs side by side, but one sure, or a pylon with two bombs one behind the other.
     
  12. shaktimaan

    shaktimaan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    but adding new hardpoint at this point is not possible, maybe they take care of all these things in mk2
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    all is possible. But it's easier when you think to that at the drawing board level.
     
  14. zebra7

    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    That's why I said "IF". Infact Chances of both F-16 and Gripen is very less, due to the lack of the budget which will be left.
     
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    If the Landing Gear design could be redesigned and reposition like Gripen E Model, and Size and wt constrain is removed in LCA MK2 version with Internal EW Jammer, and space for IRST, and 2 center line fuel tank on the Fuselage, the 2 hardpoint near the fuselage with Twin Arm pylon can solve the problem.
     

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