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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. PARIKRAMA

    PARIKRAMA Angel or Devil? Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    SOURCE BASED NEWS
    • Following the ongoing tussle for more planes of IAF choice in TE and MOD choice of SE, a midway has been arrived as of now.
    • The Plan for Rafale Bases as per the meeting is as below
      • IAF has requested the a total of 7 bases for Rafale (3 West facing, 2 East , 2 South/Central for swing role.)
      • MOD has pruned it down to 5 bases for Rafale (3 West facing with at least one located deeper towards south/central and 2 East facing)
      • The Original 7 bases has a scope to house a total of 14 sqds (~250+) but the same has been now pruned to first filling each base with 1 sqd and then supplementing them with the 2nd sqd.
      • Certain bases may house additional sqds subject to space availability.
      • This has pruned the plan to 10-12 sqds.
      • First 3 bases will be via the off the shelf orders
      • Next 2 via MII with rest of the jets being assembled and components produced in DRAL
    • In Return MOD has convinced IAF for the following
      • A total of 6 sqds to begin with for SE
      • Additional scope of 2+1 sqds - 3 more after delivery review of 3-4 squads.
      • Primarily based for Forward bases in Western Sector and will free up MKI to move much deeper
      • Out of 6-9 squads, 1 squad is being explored for direct import as well.
    • Also IAF and MOD discussed for LCA MK1A
      • MOD also made categorically clear that post MK1A 1 squadron handover, a fresh order of 3-4 more squadrons ( 60-80) will be placed as well.
      • IAF has clearly said they look at Kaveri with Safran core for maximum LCAs and wants to pursue it further
      • Further MOD/GOI and IAF both have been soft on HAL in last 3 years and now want to see if HAL can deliver the present new promises.
      • The new milestones/reviews /priority points are
        • Achieving FOC soon.
        • Showing good progress on MK1A project.
        • Increasing the production speed. to 16/year and further ensuring local ecosystem in place for 24/year rate achievement
        • Addressing issues in the presently delivered aircrafts and rectifying the mistakes.
        • Changing the way issues raised has been addressed in the past with more professional approach and time-bound SLAs adherence
    • About FGFA and super MKI,
      • The timeline for fresh review and scope is now considered only after Super Upgrade line installation and commencement of batch updation of MKIs
      • After the upgradation of approx 5-6 squadrons from Russia and HAL, FGFA production is envisioned.
      • A scope of 2-2.5 more squadrons at Super MKI configuration is also proposed with planes getting French and Israeli systems at HAL post delivery off the shelf as well.
      • This small batch is proposed to replace very old airframes which may not get selected for Super upgrade and will be relegated to training purposes only
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  2. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Just like AH1 and AH64 serves different roles , so will the PMF and Rafale. Both are important for IAF. And both are envisioned for separate roles.

    Rafale will bring in the flexibility , and certain capabilities, which IAF didn't had. PMF would on the other hand be a deserving successor to Mig29 UPG and Flanker H fleet, ensuring the rule of IAF in skies.
     
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    sunstersun Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Any indication of which SE plane the MOD is leaning towards @PARIKRAMA ?
     
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  4. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    I think @X_Killer is the culprit. He got it from here.
     
  5. rockstar

    rockstar 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    The numbers like

    Rafale - 180
    SE - 162
    LCA - 83+83 = 163+
     
  6. X_Killer

    X_Killer Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    @randomradio mind your language...

    I have no links with that so called Tejas MRCA fb page or its website.

    @nair @Levina @PARIKRAMA
    Please takecare of this unbridled member, who accuse anyone as per his choice.
     
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  7. PARIKRAMA

    PARIKRAMA Angel or Devil? Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    LCA 123+60-80 -- 183~200+

    The second batch will seek minor improvements in LCA Mk1A further
     
  8. shaktimaan

    shaktimaan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    So ~10 squadrons for each aircraft (Tejas, SE ,Rafale)
     
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    GuardianRED Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    So in the end we are envisioning 5 Types for the Future , still it is better than 7 we currently have

    1) FGFA - Special Ops
    2)MKI/Super MKI - Air Dominance
    3) Rafale - Primary SEAD/DEAD Nuclear Delivery Secondary Air Superiority
    4) SE - Primary Air Superiority Secondary Strike Ground Support
    5) LCA Mk1/Mk1A - Primary Point Air Defence Secondary Strike Ground Support

    All Sea Ops will be/Should be taken over by the IN - Possbile Rafale/NLCA

    Hmmm.... I can see this!
     
  10. X_Killer

    X_Killer Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    finally no space left for LCA Mk2.
    isn't it? @PARIKRAMA
     
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  11. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    It appears to me that LCa MK1A isgoing to get 65/98Kn engine from Safran.
     
  12. GuardianRED

    GuardianRED Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Possible Mk2 will be the dedicated NLCA variant?
     
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  13. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Lol. There was nothing bad in what I said.
     
  14. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    200 jets of each type is the best option. It will comfortably carry us to 55 squadrons between 2032 and 2037.
     
  15. Angel Eyes

    Angel Eyes 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    As long as all the jets are built under MII , I am okay with it....
     
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