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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    I doubt we are expecting a lot. We have to wait for the tender to be released first.
     
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  2. Gessler

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    No one gives the IPRs unless you buy the IPR.

    Or unless you had a stake in development.
     
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  3. Sathya

    Sathya Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Some articles mentioned India wanted exporting rights ..
     
  4. randomradio

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    Of course. But that's got nothing to do with IPR.
     
  5. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Parikrama, you can publish the mail i sent to Macron early june (if you wish). No more discretion needed is there?
     
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  6. The enlightened

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    So you're now friends with Macron? And PDMO was head of the French nukes... whatever department. And vstol was the personal adviser to Parrikar.

    Any other extraordinary gentlemen we have on board?
     
  7. PARIKRAMA

    PARIKRAMA Captain IDF NewBie

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    ...Sure @halloweene

    May XX, 2017


    Translated to english..

    Mail to Emmanuel Macron (in personal capacity to prez public email id ) by Halloweene from his personal id
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    Mr. President,

    On May 3rd, you will receive Mr. Modi.

    After years of attending forums and other Indian defense sites, and without being in the secret of the Gods, I would like to share with you the feelings that are found in these circles. Your wish to start the studies for a PA2 is known, as is the evocation by Mr. Collet Billon before the National Assembly of collaborations with India and raises high hopes.


    The same is true for a possible technical assistance from Dassault Aviation vis-à-vis the Indian project AMCA stealth aircraft (and the drone "AURA", Germany, by knocking on the door of the program FCAS successively proposed to design (which is not in their real skills) a bomber fighter to replace the Tornado and then asked for information on the American F-35. Spain will soon have to replace its F18 with breath of breath.

    France, beyond the standard F4 Rafale that has just been launched will have to undertake studies for an MLU then a Rafale "NG".

    It seems to me here to discern important opportunities for industrial and financial synergies.

    The same is true of my Indian correspondents.

    I venture to presume, certainly presumptuously, to mention the following possibilities:

    • "Save" the Indian program Tejas MkII, under the Rafale contract offsets. This would have the advantage on the one hand, without competition for the Rafale, to establish a relationship of strategic confidence with India while preserving their national pride.
    • On the other hand, this would cut the grass under foot to SAAB and Lockheed Martin who are trying to establish themselves on the Indian market. In this respect, the fact that Mr. Parrikar moving away is a positive sign.
    • To propose joint studies between the aircraft carriers PA2 and IAC2.
    • Propose an Indian Franco initiative for a Rafale NG aircraft (which would not need to be called Rafale ...) / AMCA FGWS (name of Airbus / DE of a new tactical combat aircraft)
    • Propose to associate Germany and Spain, which would allow them to retain skills and an industrial base that they would lose permanently in case of purchase of the F-35.
    • Propose to India a collaboration in the framework of the AURA drone and an admission ticket FCAS once the studies are sufficiently mature.
    • All of course as part of the program of the system of systems FCAS or assimilated.
    I suspect that all this has already been reflected by the strategists. The only thing I can assure you is that it would be eminently well perceived on the Indian side by those interested.

    With all my wishes of success in front of the vast yards that are open in front of you.


    ++++

    The reply from Elysee


    "Rest assured that he read carefully the reflections you express about India."

     
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  8. randomradio

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    @halloweene @Picdelamirand-oil

    IAF is not a slave to Parrikar. It's bad news that Parrikar has gone. In fact the new minister is far more risky. The reason is because she represents industrial states and has vested interests in getting as much business as possible to southern states. Parrikar came from the tiny state of Goa and had no vested interests. For example, she represents BJP in Karnataka, while her husband is a TDP advisor to the Chief Minister in Andhra Pradesh. Meaning, they have more interest in getting more work for these two states, while Rafale manufacturing is centered around Modi's states.

    Parrikar was the safest bet, or you could say, fair bet for everybody. He is not easily influenced, the new minister's fealty is unknown. Biggest advantage for France, Parrikar was not very keen on depending on the US. He was the one who put up a lot of roadblocks in the form of assurances for US imports. It was only after he left that the US businesses started eyeing money in India, haven't you noticed this? The new minister has no such qualms, particularly after Parrikar has finished the roadmap for military acquisitions anyway, so she doesn't have much to do.

    Anyway, the SE request came from the IAF back in 1999. That's not changed. The decision to go for a TE through MMRCA was made in 2004 and it was SE that was put on the backburner. There were two reasons for that, one was to wait for LCA (ADA promised to deliver M-2000 capability, maybe you will recall how they frequently compare it to M-2000) and the other was to await the full development of new aircraft, like Gripen E. The offer of AESA from both France and America was too good to refuse.

    So we had always planned to go for both SE and TE MII back since the early 2000s. So one or the other was simply delayed, not cancelled. Now we have merely decided to go for SE MII first.

    Also, LCA is not going to affect other programs. No matter how successful LCA is, SE MII will happen. This will be followed by the TE MII. So Dassault can participate with either the F4 or the NG, depending on when the TE MII starts.

    The problem is the potential for TE is much lower since we have to wait until the middle of Modi's next term before we see any movement there. You can only pray that SE will fail to meet IAF's minimum requirements. But I think Dassault is better positioned to know if Gripen and F-16 will make the cut or not.
     
  9. Vijyes

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    BJP doesn't run like this. Nirmala will listen to Modi and will negotiate well. That is why she is a good pick. The fighter planes will be selected based on ToT and scaling abilities only. Short sighted purchasing is not how BJP works. BJP has enough funds to campaign elections till 2029. RSS mostly campaigns for free due to passionate volunteers.
     
  10. vstol jockey

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    I read what was written about Parrikar in that email. But, if you look at it with open eyes and open mind, Parrikar cleared the way for more Rafales for IAF. He negotiated hard but finally, French aerospace industry will end up getting the biggest slice of everything.
     
  11. CNL-PN-AA

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    http://www.newindianexpress.com/nat...rafale-to-push-for-make-in-india-1676772.html


    After 36 jets, Rafale to push for Make In India
    By Pradip R Sagar | Express News Service | Published: 17th October 2017 09:15 PM |


    NEW DELHI: After selling 36 Rafale fighter jets to India, French government is now pushing for a project to manufacture warplanes here in Indian soil to give a boost to Prime Minister Narendra Modi's push to encourage local manufacturing under ‘Make In India’. And to put Paris’s case strongly, its newly appointed defence minister Florance Parley is visiting New Delhi and will be meeting her Indian counterpart.

    According to south block officials, Parly will be landing India with high level delegation on October 26 and on next day she is scheduled to hold series of meetings with Indian officials on issues related to defence cooperation between the two nation.

    “Though the visit is aimed towards further strengthening defence cooperation between the two nations, but offering production line in India for Rafale jets is surely will be on cards,” said an official.

    Incidentally, Florence Parly of France and Nirmala Sithraman are the only two women to head the Defence Ministry of nuclear-armed nations. Parly will not hold delegation level talks with defence ministry officials, responsible for acquisitions, she will also hold talks with Indian Air Force for better understanding of the force’s requirement. On October 28, she will travel to Nagpur to launch a production facility of Dassault aviation in Nagpur, which has tied with Reliance Defence for offset of over Rs. 20,000 crore.

    Dassault Avaition, manufactures of Rafale jets had signed contract worth $11 billion to supply 126 Rafale aircraft and eventually won an order for only 36 planes last year. India had initially agreed to buy all the 126 jets under a long-delayed deal, even mandating Dassault to build some of them locally. But the 126 Medium multi role combat aircraft (MMRCA) tender, issued by the Congress led UPA government was cancelled by the Modi government. But now, IAF is desperate to increase its combat strength- -the key concern, which have been raised by the force on many occasions.

    IAF at present operating with 32 squadrons and on the verge of losing out more squadrons as MiG 21 and MiG 27 fleeting is ageing and the Air Force would achieve its sanctioned strength of 42 fighter squadrons by 2032. IAF will have 83 indigenous Light Combat Aircaft Tejas, 36 Rafale and 36 additional Sukhoi fighter jets by end of 2019.

    Though, IAF was keen on a follow-on order of 36 additional Rafales to bridge the gap of it depleting combat fleet, but, they are now settling for lighter single engine warplanes. For this, the IAF is will start the process this month to acquire a fleet of single engine fighter jets which are expected to significantly enhance its overall strike capability. But, IAF has already maintained that requirement of twin engine is very much there.

    IAF chief Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa, on the occasion of IAF Raising day has made it clear that there is absolutely a need for twin-engine fighter jets. And Rafaje is a twin engine jet.

    Besides other features that make the Rafale a strategic weapon in the hands of the IAF is the Beyond Visual Range Meteor air-to-air missile with a range in excess of 150 KM. Its integration on the Rafale jets will mean the IAF can hit targets inside both Pakistan and across the northern and eastern borders while still staying within India's own territorial boundary.

    Pakistan currently has only a BVR with 80 km range. During the Kargil war, India used a BVR of 50 km while Pakistan had none. With Meteor, the balance of power in the air space has again tilted in India's favour. Scalp, a long-range air-to-ground cruise missile with a range in excess of 300 km also gives the IAF an edge over its adversaries.



    Luggage ready !
     
  12. Blackjay

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    Morons....
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  13. randomradio

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    FGFA will see far more ToT than any of the other MII projects.
     
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  14. randomradio

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    Yeah, Parrikar was really good for both India and France. Modi was the one being insane pushing for 36 old Rafales without any offsets.
     
  15. Vijyes

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    Was Kaveri engine not an offset? Why do you think Parrikar delayed in negotiations? Kaveri amd some other ToT like RAM paint was the Condition for Rafale deal
     

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