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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Which may happen in the end. Do you realize the breach made in LM/US strategy if a NATO member was to buy anything BUT F-35??? Catastrophic. Would definitely deserve 500% offsets for strategic reasons.
     
  2. BON PLAN

    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Excuse me Bro, as we have a common langge and common border with Belgium, we are far more aware of the question than you.

    So, as for now, and despite what can be said by belgishe DM, the french proposal is analyzed with the 2 others.
    And specially because Belgium is strongly attached to EU, and specially defense EU (we all know that USA is looking to asia, no more to europe. So EU defense will be more and more in our hands), and that new french president also.
     
  3. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    How so? Have you seen the numbers? If you have, then do post.

     
  4. sunstersun

    sunstersun Lieutenant IDF NewBie

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  5. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    So $4B in offsets and then $20B in business potential. That 20B is not offsets actually.

    I mean, the Indian Rafale offsets has the potential to eclipse that figure completely if you consider the effects of its impact in the future.
     
  6. sunstersun

    sunstersun Lieutenant IDF NewBie

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    eh 500% offsets is probably the wrong terminology, but they're offering stuff way beyond normal offsets, getting unions involved for a military deal is highly unusual.
     
  7. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    Hmm... It might work.
     
  8. PARIKRAMA

    PARIKRAMA Captain IDF NewBie

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    SAAW integration into Rafale news

    Source https://sputniknews.com/asia/201711041058807540-india-guided-bomb/


    This is second such news after NGARM integration into Rafale as well.
     
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  9. lca-fan

    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Doesn't this prove that India is getting a limited access to source codes so we can integrate any of the weapons we have just like we have limited access to source codes of Sukhoi30 MKI?

    If so then it only points out that Rafales are coming in same numbers as Sukhoi30 MKI that is more than 200 Rafales through MII.
     
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  10. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Lol and still you ignore the facts out of convince, the same language is not the problem!
     
  11. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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  12. CNL-PN-AA

    CNL-PN-AA 2nd Lieutant MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...ts-techtransfer-air-pocket/article9945734.ece


    $10-billion fighter deal hits tech-transfer air pocket
    NAYANIMA BASU


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    For top contractors, 49% equity a hurdle; Rafale may get follow-on order

    NEW DELHI, NOVEMBER 6:
    India’s $10-billion single-engine fighter jet deal is believed to have hit a stumbling block over the contentious issue of transfer of technology (ToT) and equity participation. This is while negotiations are on for the purchase of more Rafale jets from France.

    The two main contenders for the deal — Lockheed Martin and SAAB — have made it clear to the Defence Ministry that they will not go in for a complete transfer of technology (ToT) with 49 per cent equity participation in the joint ventures that they have inked with their respective Indian partners, sources told BusinessLine.

    Under the defence foreign direct investment rules, global OEMs can invest more than 49 per cent with prior government approval. However, the fighter-jet deal has to be executed under the new ‘Strategic Partnership’ (SP) policy, and as per the norms laid out in this policy, it is the Indian entity that will have a controlling stake with 51 per cent.

    The Defence Ministry is looking to acquire at least 100 of these jets for the Indian Air Force (IAF). While the US’ Lockheed Martin has offered the advanced F-16 Block 70, Swedish defence major SAAB has presented its single-engine multi-role Gripen E for the programme.

    Lockheed Martin and SAAB have also joined hands with Tata Advance Defence Systems Ltd and the Adani Group, respectively, to design, develop and produce the warplanes in India under the ‘Make in India’ programme.

    The issue of proprietary technology was also raised by US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson during his visit last month. He made it clear that ToT will come for a price.

    The government is now looking at a follow-on order to buy more Rafale jets, which will be in addition to the 36 bought in September last year for $8.9 billion. The IAF is also keen on buying more of these warplanes, according to sources.

    The decision to buy more Rafale jets from Dassault Aviation is likely to be announced during the visit of French President Emmanuel Macron in December, sources added.

    However, the sources said, India has already informed the French that “not a single” Rafale will be bought in flyaway mode — they will be built in the Dhirubhai Ambani Aerospace Park, run by Reliance Aerospace Ltd and Dassault Aviation in the Mihan Special Economic Zone in Nagpur.

    Dassault Aviation Chief Eric Trappier had recently said, in France, that the company is in talks with India for more orders.
     
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  13. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    The follow-on order was inevitable. So much cheaper.

    LM and Saab can sit around twiddling their thumbs if they don't accept the rules, bigger cake for Dassault.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major IDF NewBie

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    1) SE jet deal falling apart before RFI is even out

    2) GoI insisting on follow-on 36 Rafales to be made in India by DRAL

    3) deal may be signed when Macron visits India in December


    Seems like @PARIKRAMA ‘s predictions are becoming reality.


    No doubt about it that any MII deal (even if only 36 committed to officially at the start) will ensure 200+ Rafales for India and once the Rafale MII is agreed to the IN won’t be far behind.

    SE deal is really a distant dream now and one that will never materialise with LCA success and now Rafale MII progress.
     
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  15. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    Whoa! Not so fast. Don't expect any new signature before elections.

    We can buy 200 Rafales and still buy 200 SE jets.
     
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