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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. proud_indian

    proud_indian 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Shouldn't they send DRAL employes to France to train on Dassault assembly lines before that?
     
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  2. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    do you mean to say with reduced payloads?
     
  3. randomradio

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    If the French do it at their cost, then they are more than welcome. :D
     
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    Thanks for the detailed answer .Now let's consider what you've posted. By 2025 according to most conservative estimates ( including yours ) , we'd have around 200 FA's ( LCA+TE) in the IAF.

    Compare this to the 400+ FA's we'd be retiring beginning 2011( MiGs-21 , 23 & 27)

    Beginning 2025 -2035 , we'd be inducting around 300 FA ( SE + TE) under MII , where as we'd be retiring another 300 FA by any estimate ( these include upgraded versions of Mirage 2k , MiG 29 & the Jaguars ) around then , give or take a few years .

    I'd withhold comment on your wish list as it's early days as far as PAKFA / FGFA is concerned , what to speak of the AMCA.

    Which still leaves us with a deficit of 200 FA's by 2035 timelines , as far as sheer nos go .

    I bring this up as post 2025 , given the overall plans as far as inducting new weapons systems go ,in all the services , we should close the gap in terms of defence and mild offensive action as far as China is concerned although they'd still be far ahead . The Chinese recognise this too .

    This period between 2015-25 is also critical if we've to prosecute our claims over PoK , given that post 2020 , the CPEC and corresponding Chinese involvement in both spheres - economic and military will ensure opening up of two fronts were we to initiate hostilities ,due to massive Chinese financial commitment in Pakistan .

    In terms of our armed forces doctrines ( assuming there is an offensive one or even a defensive one ) , how is the IAF expected to prosecute the war on a single front leave aside two fronts given the severe depletion in their nos in the time period beginning now up until 2025?
     
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  5. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    No
     
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  6. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I know
     
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  7. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    The numbers I gave are the minimum required to get to 42 squadrons. We need 29 squadrons worth of new aircraft by 2032. With my numbers, we will have 6 squads of LCA, 13 of Rafale, 7 of Gripen and 3 PAK FA by 2032.

    After 2032, we will have to increase our sanctioned squadron strength to 55.

    We will be able to operate 1-2 squadrons of Jaguar and 2 squadrons of M-2000 right up to 2050 if necessary.

    We can decimate the PAF with this planned inventory. But without PAK FA/FGFA we can't really fight the Chinese. We will need a minimum of 5 squadrons until AMCA arrives. Rafale won't be enough against future versions of J-20.
     
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    I have not understood the meaning of operated on the cheap.
     
  9. _Anonymous_

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    In other words , up until 2032 , it's touch and go as far as the capabilities of the IAF is concerned .More so , until 2025 .
     
  10. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Again, MII does not mean a production line, but also can mean offsets. Dassault complies to the madatory offset requirement of the 36 deal, by diverting production parts to DRAL, just like Thales is diverting integration and maintenance of RBE 2 to DRAL, to comply to the rules as well.

    They didn't apperantly between February and October, now you claim that something changed, but there is no evidence or even a hint for that. So let's wait and see.
     
  11. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    It's @randomradio expression, I think he wants to say that the current Indian Carrier will need very costly modifications if we wants to operate Rafale from it and I think it will not be so costly.
     
  12. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Ok, got it
     
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  13. Picdelamirand-oil

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    Except for Kaveri and for the failure of SE approach.
     
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  14. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Translated

    http://www.liberation.fr/france/201...ntournable-pour-un-president-francais_1608343
     
  15. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Not even there, since Kaveri fixing is part of the offsets as well and since Feb we have official confirmation of the SPM by MoD and of the SE tender requirement by Air Chief Dhanoa.
     

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