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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    PMF is India's only 5th gen option till next 15 years and India is really serious about it.

    This sentence is as true as is the following one.

    Rafale is a necessity for IAF with no viable alternative to it for next 15 years.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    FOC ? Or am i missing something ?
    Thanks to HAL , LCA is still far from being exported.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Another example that proves, that you only state your "opinions" and not what you actually know. I even posted 2 articles about the tender, that you obviously haven't read, that's why you get to such conclusions.

    They wanted to replace Mig 29s with a MRCA and Rafale was considered to be the front runner, but due to budget constrains and changed priorities towards anti terrorism, they scrapped the procurement earlier this year and now seems to go for 2nd hand F18 Hornets and light attack / combat fighters instead. So that news confirmed, that Rafale won't have a chance later either, while the Saab offer still would fit the bill. The only question is, if they want to lease / buy a light combat aircraft, or just go for a less capable light attack aircraft? Costs will play the main role here (procurement and operational).
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Sadly LCA is not in high rate production yet and it would be hard to justify to sell of MK1s to Malaysia, when we are short on squads as well.
    Besides that MK1 might be too costly so far, with about 40 millions each.
    Their Migs could be an addition to IAF, they require overhaul and upgrades, which adds costs and time, till they would be available and they are not even enough for a full squad. Getting Mig 29Ks of IN, is the faster and better solution.
     
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    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    :lol:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...new-fighter-jets-defense-source-idUSKBN19Y17X
    Malaysia’s jet fighter talks were only “temporarily suspended” and could resume in the future

    The requirement still exists. They are going to replace their F-5s first instead of Hornets/Fulcrums, that's all.

    I would suggest you look at the map of Malaysia first.
     
  6. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    AN OPERATIONAL PLANE AT CONTROLLED COST OF EMPLOYMENT
    https://translate.google.fr/transla...ationnel-a-cout-demploi-maitrise/&prev=search

    AN AIRCRAFT DESIGNED TO FACILITATE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE
    The Rafale's logistic support was defined based on the experience gained with the Mirage 2000, allowing the Rafale to inherit its excellent operational availability.

    From the beginning of its development, the Ministry of Defense has imposed the Rafale very stringent requirements for integrated logistics support (SLI). It is thanks to the techniques of concurrent engineering, bold technological choices, and Dassault Systèmes' CATIA software that these requirements have been achieved and even surpassed.

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    EXAMPLES OF THE RELIABILITY, ACCESSIBILITY AND MAINTAINABILITY OF THE RAFALE


    The following examples, selected from a set of original and innovative solutions, demonstrate the Rafale advance in terms of reliability, accessibility and maintainability.

    Over twenty years of experience in the MIRAGE 2000 has shown the value of integrated navigation system and weapon (SNA) testing. It was therefore decided on the Rafale to extend this principle to all aircraft systems. Thanks to the precision of the diagnostics they provide, the integrated tests make it possible to perform very targeted replacements on the track, up to the level of the electronic boards and specific components.

    In-depth ergonomic studies have been conducted with the help of CATIA to ensure the accessibility of the elements in the aircraft bunkers, and thus allow the mechanic to be able to perform alone the maintenance operations on the track. These studies helped to reduce the risk of errors in execution and the duration of these operations.

    A centralized system of security of the armaments makes it possible to be freed from all the operations relating to the traditional withdrawal of the safety pins at the end of the track. It undoubtedly reduces the risk of accident and error in the implementation of armaments, and gives unbeatable reset times that accelerate rotations in operations.

    The use of CATIA leads to high precision mechanical assemblies, which can then replace the barrel, the viewfinder (HUD) or the radar without having to perform long harmonization sessions.

    In the event of removal for intervention on the M88 engine, there is no longer a mandatory check on a specific engine test bench before reassembly on an airplane.This is a significant innovation brought by the M88.

    In order to ensure maximum autonomy during its operational deployments, particularly on land with a rudimentary infrastructure, the Rafale needs only a minimum of equipment on the ground:

    • Thanks to an OBOGS (On Board Oxygen Generation System), no external supply of liquid oxygen is required, which eliminates the need for associated production and transportation ground equipment.
    • Nitrogen cooling of optronic equipment is done in a closed loop, which eliminates a supply chain of nitrogen supply.
    • Its Auxiliary Power Unit (APU) allows it to start independently, without a fleet group.
    • All means of servitude are sufficiently compact (and possibly folding) to be air-transportable. They do not require external power supply. In addition, two types of trolley are sufficient to install and remove the weapons.
    These features of maintainability are validated from the development phase of the aircraft by the support specialists of the Air Force and the Navy and have demonstrated their reliability in combat during the various operations. This simplicity of maintenance allows a rapid training of technicians on Rafale: in a few weeks, the support of the aircraft and conversion training Rafale could be organized for the benefit of an export customer, allowing him to reach the autonomy of action he needed to deploy his planes successfully.

    A HIGH-TECH, BUDGET-CONTROLLED FIGHTER
    Thanks to its excellent reliability, the Rafale has significantly reduced maintenance costs.

    Its original maintenance concept translates into lean scheduled maintenance requiring fewer hours of work and a smaller number of mechanics.

    The Rafale does not need to leave its operational base for maintenance reasons. Unlike other types of fighter planes, the Rafale's airframe and engines are no longer expensive and time consuming.

    While the fleet leaders now exceed 3,300 hours of flight, no structural part has been changed, thus validating the robustness of the cell and the concept of maintenance.

    With its 21 modules, the architecture of the M88 engine is perfectly representative of this maintenance philosophy: engine overhauls and repairs are done exclusively by returning modules or spare parts to the central workshop or to the manufacturer.No fixed point or balancing is needed before the return to service.

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    Rafale M on the Carrier Charles de Gaulle.

    Deletion, very early in the design of the Rafale, of certain organs likely to decrease the reliability:

    • airbrakes
    • moving parts of the air inlets
    • constant speed drives (CSD) alternators
    • mechanism of extension and retraction of the supply boom,
    which leads to a significant reduction in the requirements in terms of spare parts, maintenance hours and ground resources.

    Rafale deployments have confirmed that there is no need for specialized infrastructure even in the case of intensive use: maintenance can be carried out either outdoors or possibly under temporary shelter.

    A standardization effort at the design stage also helped to reduce the number of different spares:

    • The same reference is used at different places on the plane. Thanks to the precision of the mechanical manufacturing which makes it possible to suppress the adjustment and harmonization operations during the assembly of the cell, it is easier to mount the same part reference to all the places where it is used.
    • The left and right elements are identical when possible: ducks, servo-controls ...
    • Various elements, such as screws or electronic modules, have also benefited from this approach.
    Similarly, by improving the troubleshooting means, it is possible to change the circuit boards electronic replaceable unit online (URL), instead of replacing the URL itself. This helps to reduce spare batches of RBE2, SPECTRA, EMTI mission calculator and other equipment.

    Special attention has been paid to accessibility issues. For example, the lateral opening of the canopy facilitates the replacement of the ejection seat: two mechanics can do so in ten minutes.

    THE RAFALE DOES NOT USE ANY MEANS OF EXTERNAL TEST ON THE TRACK
    Since all the test systems are integrated, the mechanics carry out the tests on the plane itself.

    There is no longer an engine control bench, which represents a remarkable innovation in the field of maintenance of combat aircraft.

    Dassault Aviation has a long experience of corrosion treatment in on-board aviation (Super Etendard) and maritime patrol (Atlantic 1 / Atlantic 2) which has allowed it to develop effective protection techniques. The Rafale thus benefits from a protection against corrosion which uses the most recent techniques, and which contributes to the reduction of the costs of use of the aircraft. Indeed, corrosion discovered during maintenance visits often leads to unpredictable delays in the return to service of aircraft and additional costs.
     
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  7. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Belgium: the Rafale has not lost the battle
    Posted on November 6, 2017by aerodefensenews
    The dossier for the renewal of the F-16 Belgian Air component is all the more exciting as it concerns not only Belgian airmen but also local policies and that the final decision will influence, proportionately, the construction or l stop of the Europe of the defense. Just as the German choice will be for the renewal of the Tornado fleet. The offer made by the Minister of Defense, Florence Parly, bothers the Belgian government as much as the industrial package proposed by Paris is extremely attractive even if Wallonia is more favored by the industrial benefits than the Flemish part.

    In this case, the French put the package. Moreover, the French proposal is considered so "innovative" that even the British ambassador in Brussels would push London to make a similar approach to that of the French. What is missing for the Rafale to win against the F-35? In Brussels, it is said that a demonstration by French President Emmanuel Macron could "heat hearts and ignite people's minds" . In the meantime, there are still some efforts to produce to convince the different parties: government, Air component, the Flemish and the Walloons ...

    "We are in favor of this proposal from the French state firstly because it is part of a logic of creation of a European defense pillar within NATO and then because this partnership proposes real industrial collaborations, technological structuring with industry and universities in Belgium ", summarizes Sebastian Pirlot, MP PS group, member of the Defense Committees, monitoring of military operations abroad and purchase of military equipment. With three of his colleagues, the MEP tabled in mid-October a "motion for a resolution to include imperatively the replacement of F-16 decided by the government in a real European defense and security policy." Parliamentarians stress in this document that "this replacement (of the F-16s) must be done in a global offer that also takes into account the potential societal returns for our economy and our long-term research and development . In this case, the goal is to spend better and not to spend more .

    Flamands / Walloons? That's the big question because there is a difference in vision.The Walloons are sensitive to economic spin-offs because that is where a large part of the Belgian aerospace turnover is made. The North, more nationalistic, more centered on a well anchored Atlantism is much less sensitive to industrial and economic benefits. "It is therefore less harmful for Flanders to choose the F-35 because there are fewer jobs at stake! Honestly, today it is difficult to discern what is the political vision that will prevail, " explains Sebastian Pirlot.

    Nuclear component? "I am in favor of the Rafale bought by Belgium not carrying a nuclear bomb," says Sebastian Pirlot. "There will be a few F-16s that will be available in the next few years to fulfill this mission. Objectively, does Belgium, given its size and traditional zone of influence, need to ensure the transport of nuclear weapons?Personally I am not convinced .

    In addition, some believe that Belgium is not in the founding club of the F-35 countries, in terms of economic benefits, it will be almost zero for the Belgian industry. In addition, the astronomical costs of the F-35 program are worrying: explosion of maintenance costs and very large difference between the costs promised at the time of purchase and those at the time of delivery as the Israelis discovered at their expense, apparently. -he. "I have the impression that Lockheed Martin wants to pay the extra costs of the program to its customers," says the Belgian deputy.

    Belgium must conclude in 2018 the purchase of a total of 34 new fighter aircraft to replace its fleet of US F-16, an estimated market of 3.5 billion euros. The first deliveries are planned around 2024. The final decision, expected in 2018, must be taken by the coalition government (associating French-speaking Liberals with the center-right and the Flemish nationalists) and not by the only Ministry of Defense.

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    ALL THE POWER OF DATA FUSION

    The differentiating element of the Rafale is its process of merging the data of all the sensors.

    The multi-sensor data fusion makes the Rafale pilot from the stage of a simple sensor operator to that of a true tactical decision maker.

    It is the Rafale's modular EMTI (Modular Information Processing Ensemble) calculator that performs the data fusion. It contains 19 online replaceable modules (URLs), 18 of which each offer a computing power 50 times that available on the previous generation fighter aircraft. It uses standard processors and electronic components.

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    The EMTI calculator is the key to the Rafale's scalability: it allows for easy integration of new weapons and new capabilities to keep the Rafale in combat, as tactical demands change, and new generations of processors and software succeed each other.

    The multi-sensor data fusion is the intermediary through which the tactical environment is perceived by the pilot, who is then able to understand the implications of the actual situation, and make the appropriate tactical decision.

    Thanks to the computing power of the system, the data fusion integrates the information coming from the RBE2-AESA electronic scanning radar, the frontal sector optronic system (OSF), the electronic warfare system SPECTRA, the IFF, infrared seekers of MICA IR missiles, and data link.

    MULTI-SENSOR DATA FUSION

    Rafale's multi-sensor data fusion enables accurate, reliable and robust tracks and less congested environmental images. It helps to reduce the pilot's workload, increase responsiveness, and ultimately improve his understanding of the actual tactical situation.

    It is done completely automatically in three steps:

    1. The development of consolidated tracks, and the refinement of the primary information provided by the sensors,
    2. Compensation of the inherent limitations of each sensor (in terms of wavelength / frequency, field of view, distance, resolution, etc ...), by the sharing of information received from all the sensors,
    3. The evaluation of the confidence rate of each consolidated track, and the removal of the redundant track symbols so as not to clutter the visualization screens.
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    A UNIQUE MAN-MACHINE INTERFACE

    Dassault Aviation has developed a particularly ergonomic and intuitive human-machine interface combining the concept of "Hands on Throttle and Stick" (HOTAS), combined with touch screens.

    This interface is based on a set of equipment with a high level of integration allowing:

    • For short-term actions, head-up through a wide-field head-up display (VTH),
    • For medium and long-term actions, the perception of the tactical situation as a whole in a multi-window medium head visualization (VTM). This image is collimated at the same distance as that of the head-up viewfinder, so as to allow the pilot to alternate very quickly between the two visualizations and the outside world,
    • The management of system resources in two side-view visualizations (VTL) color with touch screens.
    The elaborate cabin design offers everything a crew can expect from an Omnirole aircraft: high forward, side and rear visibility, superior maneuverability, improved front-end protection high load factors thanks to an ejection seat inclined at 29 °, as well as an air conditioning whose efficiency has been demonstrated in the most extreme climates.

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    A WIDE RANGE OF SMART AND DISCRETE SENSORS

    RADAR RBE2 / AESA WITH ELECTRONIC SCANNING AND ACTIVE ANTENNA

    The Rafale is the first - and only - European fighter to use a radar scan. The RBE2 radar is a product of Thales research and development. It also benefits from the know-how acquired by Thales over previous generations of radar. Electronic scanning provides an unparalleled perception of the tactical situation, with improved detection and tracking in a multi-target environment.

    The agility of its beam, enabled by the electronic scanning, and its computation speed make the RBE2 capable of performance and modes of use not accessible to mechanical antenna radars.

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    In October 2012, the first Rafale equipped with an even more powerful radar, the Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA), was delivered to the French Air Force. This antenna provides the following functions:
    • In air-air, the simultaneous detection and automatic tracking of a large number of air targets at very great distances, downwards or upwards, in a clear or scrambled environment, and in any weather,
    • Ability to pursue and engage targets outside the field of research, thus providing a vital benefit in air combat,
    • The real-time development of 3 D maps for automatic terrain monitoring. This function allows you to blindly enter areas that are insufficiently mapped. The Rafale is the only new-generation combat aircraft currently offering such a function,
    • The presentation to the pilot of a 2D high-resolution radar map of the terrain overflown allowing the resetting of the navigation, as well as the detection, the identification and the designation of terrestrial targets,
    • Detection and pursuit of boats.
    The RBE2-AESA radar is fully compatible in terms of detection volumes with the upcoming use of the METEOR very long range air-to-air missile. It offers very strong growth potential for the future.

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    In cases where discretion is the main tactical requirement, the Rafale can rely on several other sensors.

    FRONT SECTOR OPTRONICS - OSF

    Developed by Thales, the OSF is fully integrated with the aircraft. Insensitive to radar jamming, it offers in the optronic spectrum a capability of detection and passive tracking, and therefore discrete, at great distance. It has a high resolution angular tracking capability. A laser range finder integrated in the equipment makes it possible to measure the distance of aerial, naval or terrestrial targets.

    The OSF gives the pilot the power of a powerful telephoto lens coupled with the various passive and active sensors, and allows him to visually identify the air targets in accordance with the rules of engagement.

    THE INTERNAL ELECTRONIC WARFARE SYSTEM - SPECTRA

    Developed by Thales and MBDA, Spectra's internal electronic warfare system is the basis of the Rafale's excellent survivability in the face of the latest air-to-air and ground-to-air threats.

    Fully integrated with other aircraft systems, it provides a multi-spectral warning capability against radars, missiles and opposing lasers.

    Providing long-range detection, threat identification and location with an excellent level of credibility, it allows the pilot to react without delay with the most appropriate tactic combining jamming, infrared and / or electromagnetic decoy, and evasive maneuvers.

    Spectra can locate ground threats with great accuracy to avoid or destroy them.

    Spectra's outstanding capabilities for detecting and locating air threats are an essential asset in the early development of a high-quality tactical situation.

    For this, Spectra takes advantage of an internal threat library, which users can define and update with great responsiveness and total autonomy.

    Spectra has just benefited from the introduction of a New Generation Missile Detector offering increased performance against the latest threats.

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    NETWORK INFORMATION SHARING

    Through networked information sharing, the Rafale is truly "connected" to other players in the battlefield. This sharing is made possible by multi-sensor data fusion and an open architecture that makes it compatible with many data link systems.

    A secure high-speed data link system allows the Rafale to exchange real-time data with other aircraft on its patrol, as well as ground or airborne command centers, advanced tactical controllers, or any other organization .The L16 link is of course available to authorized users.

    As an actor of infocentered networks, the Rafale is able to receive or send images. Thanks to the Remotely Operated Video Enhanced Receiver (ROVER) system, the Rafale crew can exchange images and videos of the target with Tactical Controllers on the ground, thus avoiding fratricide and collateral damage. This is a decisive advantage in peacekeeping operations.

    The Rafale can be equipped with L16 (NATO) data link solutions, or specific data link depending on customer needs. Its interoperability within an international system has been demonstrated many times.

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    THE TALIOS TARGETING AND LASER NACELLE

    Thales's new Talios targeting and laser naming platform gives the Rafale a daytime and nighttime laser tracking and designation capability with metric precision. It makes it possible to pull the guided laser weapons at a safe distance.

    The Talios nacelle's infrared sensor operates in the middle band, which allows it to keep all its efficiency in a hot and humid atmosphere. It is coupled to a new generation TV sensor with very high resolution.

    Talios is interoperable with all laser guided armaments.

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    THE AREOS RECONNAISSANCE POD - WITH REAL-TIME DATA ANALYSIS

    The French Air Force and Navy have chosen to equip the Rafale with the Thales AREOS new generation reconnaissance pod for tactical and strategic reconnaissance missions.

    It is a high-tech equipment that can operate day and night according to various scenarios of use: high altitude / long distance or high-flying flying at high speed.

    To shorten the information collection cycle and speed up the pace of operations, the AREOS pod is equipped with a data link system that allows high resolution images to be transmitted to military decision makers in real time.

    The performance of this pod, and in particular its ability to shoot at a great distance, make it a quasi-strategic tool, as has been demonstrated in Libya, Mali, the Central African Republic, Iraq and Syria.

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    Anil Ambani flirts with our defence minister Florence Parly!!?
     
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    First Rafale will land in India by 2019: Trappier

    Facility to support 200 SMEs, says Dassault Aviation chief
    Eric Trappier, chairman of the €3.6 billion Dassault Aviation, was recently in India to lay the foundation stone of Dassault RelianceAerospace Limited (DRAL’s) manufacturing facility at Mihan in Nagpur. With production from DRAL expected to start as early as 2018 and the first Rafale expected to land in India in 2019, Mr. Trappiertalks about Dassault’s future plans and getting repeat orders for Rafale combat jets from the Indian government. Edited excerpts:

    When can we expect the first Rafale to land in India?

    As we have planned, the first Rafale should land in India in 2019. It’s on track.

    How many Rafale jets would be made in India as part of the offset clause?

    It’s not a question of how many Rafale [jets] will be made in India for the first 36 order that we have got. Certain parts of Rafale and Falcon are going to be manufactured in India to start with. We will take a step-by-step approach and we will start manufacturing parts of Rafale in this facility. If there are new orders, we will look at manufacturing here. We are sure that it’s win-win situation. Manufacturing in India is going to be the next step and it depends upon the new orders. For the new orders for Rafale, the jet would be made totally in India.

    How do you intend to fulfil the offset commitment of ₹30,000 crore of the ₹60,000 crore order?

    This is something very important because our company has a very old history with India. We have been continuously supplying to India for the past 65 years. This was possible because of our aircraft and we have a very strategic relationship between France and India. Our government has signed an agreement to supply 36 Rafale jets to India with 50% offset obligation. We will fulfil all our contractual obligations.

    What gives you the confidence that you will get repeat orders for Rafale?

    As of now, we are proposing it to the government but it’s up to the government to go ahead. We have capability to prove that our fighter [jet] is good. It has been bought already. We will deliver the support. We now have the capability to manufacture the aircraft in India. We think we have the right tools to convince the government for repeat orders.

    Is the scope of this partnership with Reliance restricted to Rafale?

    This is a unique opportunity to start manufacturing in India. With our partnerReliance, we also intend to manufacture our business jet Falcon.The first Falcon will soon take off from Indian soil.

    There are concerns in certain quarters that India is overpaying for the current Rafale deal. Your comments?

    You have to ask them [the government] this question.

    Why have you chosen Reliance Group, which with no prior experience in defence, as your JV Partner?

    We are starting with a private company [that wants] to become a global player. I am a private company. It’s an equal partnership. We are investing €100 million for our 49% stake.

    What employment opportunities will this JV create?

    As chairman of French Aerospace Industries Association, I will lead a big delegation of French SMEs here in the coming months. Our facility here will support over 200 SMEs to secure the component and avionics manufacturing needs of Rafale and Falcon jets. It’s not only about Rafale and Dassault. Our French partners and partners of the Reliance Group will set up their facilities here.

    http://www.thehindu.com/business/fi...in-india-by-2019-trappier/article20353791.ece
     
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    Gave a reply with regards to their plan. It seems Rafale MII would start right from next order.
    Also important to note he says made and not assembled or manufactured so don't know what to make of that.
     
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    more rafales are guaranteed.
     
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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...martin-to-upgrade-f-16-fighters-idUSKBN1DC0JH

    http://www.euronews.com/2017/11/11/uae-military-interested-in-fifth-generation-fighter-jets
     
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