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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. The enlightened

    The enlightened Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Because potential adversaries are going to induct Rafale in 2030? :rolleyes2:

    So the US may not enjoy the total overkill in the field of establishing air superiority over enemy airspace, located 1000's of kilometres from their homeland; due to advancement of enemy technology. How does Rafale which is a 30 year old design come into play here? Rafale already belongs to an obsolete generation of fighters. F-35 already smushed far more capable fighter jets (F-15) in Red Flag. It even penetrated Airspace guarded by modern SAM's (GaN AESA) in the same exercise, something Rafale will never do.

    Please think before copy-pasting the same old links and sources. F-35 has a RCS on the scale of 0.00001 sq.m versus 3 to 5 sq.m of Rafale. That is a no contest. Its physics bro.
     
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  2. drunken-monke

    drunken-monke SENIOR MEMBER

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    Beauty is like old wine mate, the older it is, better it would be. What can be more sexier than the defence of a permanent UN security council member in the hand of a lady, who would say death to enemy with a smile on face..
     
  3. somedude

    somedude Captain FULL MEMBER

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    The F-35 made everything else so obsolete that the USAF is going to SLEPping their F-16 to last until 2048.

    And obviously the Rafale was never designed to enter defended airspace, because obviously when you design an aircraft to carry nuke missiles, you do not assume that your targets will be protected.


    Also you're wrong on your RCS measures. The F-35 has an RCS on a scale of 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 sq. femtometer; while the Rafale has an RCS in the 99999999999999999999 square kilometers. Get it right.
     
  4. proud_indian

    proud_indian 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Rafael deal: Congress alleges ‘huge scam’

    SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT

    NEW DELHI, NOVEMBER 14, 2017 17:21 IST
    UPDATED: NOVEMBER 14, 2017 17:33 IST
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    The Congress on Tuesday alleged that a “huge scam is brewing” in the Rafael deal and accused the Modi government of “promoting the interests of Prime Minister’s crony capitalist friends.”

    Addressing a press conference, Congress communications chief Randeep Surjewala said the government violated the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) and bypassed the interests of PSU Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

    “On April 10, Prime Minister Modi visits France and announces the deal for purchase of 36 Rafael fighter aicraft in flyaway condition. This was done unilaterally without following the DPP, without any inter-governmental agreement and in the absence of India’s Defence Minister. However, Anil Ambani, owner of Reliance Defence Limited was present in France during the Prime Minister's visit,” alleged Mr Surjewala.

    The Congress leader claimed that while the UPA government had signed the Rafael deal as a joint venture between its French maker, Dassault Aviation, and India’s HAL, the current government cancelled the entire process on 30 July, 2015.

    This in turn, helped Reliance Defence Limited as they entered into a joint venture with Dassault, he said.

    Mr. Surjewala said while India signed the $8.7 billion deal on September 23 last year, just 10 days later, on October 3, 2016, Reliance Defence Limited entered into a joint venture with the French fighter plane maker.

    “It is time for the PM to answer why the planes were bought at such an inflated costs? Is it not true that as per UPA negotiated price, cost of one plane was Rs. 526.1 crores where as under NDA, the plane is costing Rs. 1570 crores? Why was transfer of technology for HAL not insisted? And finally, has the joint venture between Dassault and Reliance Defence been cleared by the Union Cabinet?” asked the Congress leader.

    When asked why the Congress was raising the issue now, especially since all the facts of the deal were in public domain, Mr. Surjewala said, “No, we had raised it then as well. Former Defence Minister A.K. Antony, Manish Tewari and myself had raised it outside as well in Parliament. We were told that nothing has been signed. The deal has been signed last September and since then we have trying to gather information.”

    www.thehindu.com/news/national/rafael-deal-congress-alleges-huge-scam/article20444680.ece
     
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  5. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The attack has just begun. wait for more. This will become bofors for BJP. everything was fine till they roped in Anil Ambani.
     
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  6. Ved Mishra

    Ved Mishra Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Did Dassault choose Reliance or PMO? Am i missing something?
     
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  7. PARIKRAMA

    PARIKRAMA Angel or Devil? Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    Can someone tell Congress and reporters - its RAFALE .. congress statement said RAFEL and now hindu says Rafael

    Who will take them seriously if they make such mistakes?

    also search for snehesh philip tweets.. he replied to manu pubby and manu took down his tweet immediately apparently for pointing out factual inaccuracies..

    someone should also ask congress why now just before Gujarat elections and why they needed "janta ka reporter" to try and carry this news.. and in the same time NDTV carrying a article about anil ambani for bankruptcy issues ..

    if there is a corruption then investigate and prove it.. or else there is no point wasting time...

    RAFALE is a need for IAF and Congress knows it as well.. so also BJP.. a clean deal is all we citizens desire.. not another mudslinging fest only when there is a election close by
     
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  8. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Mukesh ambani was chosen by Khangrass and later this defense shifted to anil ambani.
     
  9. stephen cohen

    stephen cohen Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Anil Ambani is already in Defence Business

    So what is the Big deal if DA chose him

    All other Big companies like TATA ; L and T ; Godrej ; Punj lloyd ; Bharat Forge
    are all competing for Defence deals
     
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  10. stephen cohen

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    They are just shooting in the dark

    Their Scandals List is so huge that such baseless allegations should not even be replied

    Let them approach Supreme court for an Enquiry
     
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  11. proud_indian

    proud_indian 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    All this fuss is about Gujrat election nothing else!
     
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  12. Ved Mishra

    Ved Mishra Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    It was only HAL as per MMRCA and there was no Reliance (Mukesh Ambani). Only when GTG was announced with 50% offsets came to effect did Dassault needed to plan and choose the partner. Still
    "Did Dassault choose Reliance or PMO"?
     
  13. Sathya

    Sathya Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    All these kind of mud slinging in Rafale & LCA spoils the mood.

    Hope it gets over soon .
     
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  14. X_Killer

    X_Killer Captain FULL MEMBER

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    I found something really interesting about Khangress..
    These pappu party guys can do anything thats why I never take them seriously.

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    This is the screenshot of congress website. Showing Congress' achievements in the 1980s. Look at point 9.
     
  15. BON PLAN

    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    It's a perishable quality. After remain a lazy truck bomber.
    Even Israel air force top brass recognised that.
     
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