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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    There is just one problem, capability!

    LCA MK1A is at least half as capable as any MMRCA, so you need to take at least twice the cost for LCAs to equal the capability of SE MMRCAs.
    Apart of the procurement costs, it also means you need more pilots for more LCAs, more logistics and have higher operational costs as well.

    LCA is simply not meant to be able to do the roles and have the same performance as MMRCA's, which is why the only solution was, 126 x Rafales, or the addition of a 2nd type of MMRCA and the government decided for the latter and the limitation to single engines, no matter if we like it or not.
     
  2. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Because he didn't just expressed interest in a G2G deal, but announced the deal for 36 fighters! That without following the MoD procedures and as shown without the DM in the decision making, let alone cancelling the MMRCA first.

    When even Parrikar was referring to the deal as the PMs deal and the PMs decisions, you can't divert responsibility.
     
  3. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    More like worried about F16s
     
  4. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    If there was any doubt left on who was responsible for the MMRCA disaster, this should clear it up once and for all!
     
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    cannonballs FULL MEMBER

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    I huge benefit of this deal is that because of the way this current deal is designed we are able to leverage the higher availability rates to Rafale by actually accounting for it.
    The MMRCA had 21 planes/sq this one has just 18 but because of the 75% clause added to the agreement, a 18 Rafale squadron will give you better availability than 21 MKI squadron. This even sets a benchmark for next deals so thats basically a discount of close to 14% in terms of cost to the GoI.
     
  6. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    http://ajaishukla.blogspot.de/2017/11/defence-minister-issues-5-point.html?m=1
     
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    proud_indian 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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  8. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    That's not fully correct, since the availability is based on the entire fleet number not on squads. So 75% of the 36 Rafales needs to be available for combat missions. We have a similar contract for MKIs as well now and it was maybe Parrikars biggest achievement to push for more efficiency and increase availability of the fighters.
     
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    Point taken still each base will house 2 sqn, so we now have to buy 72 instead of 84 Rafale.
     
  10. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    What do you mean by 84? But yes, thanks to the bad deal we made, we have to buy 36 more, just to make all the infrastructure costs worth it. Personally I think, we should just buy 1 more and couple each Rafale squad with 1 Mirage squad. Lower costs and Rafale spread over 3 bases.
     
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    As per MMRCA deal one squadron meant 21 Rafales. Thus 6 squadron meant 126 & 63 (3 squadron) in options.
     
  12. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Ah ok, MMRCA was for 7 x squads, each with 16 single and 2 twin seat fighters. The bulk of IAF squads is 18 fighters, except for LCA (20) and MKI (16) as far as I remember. The SE MMRCA tender also requires the first squadron of 18 fighters, while 96 are planned for licence production.
     
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    Needle is 100 time less capable than sword. But if you need to stich a patch in your shirt, what would you use.
     
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    Shekhar Singh 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    By this logic, why we need MMRCA why not HMRCA? Because for every HMRCA we need two MMRCA.
     
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    LCA was developped to replace Mig21, in its point defense fighter use.
    No Mig 21 users expect it to be as capable as a Mig 35 !

    So it's useless to compare a nut with an apple.
     
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