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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    And that's the issue, we have to work on fixing 1 version of Kaveri first and see to which application that engine would be useful. THEN we can talk about developing new varients and see to what specs that would lead us. The fact however replans, that neither K9 or K10 fit to F16s or MKIs, in size and thrust levels.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    And Dassault is responsible for it!

    Yes it's sadly an Indian habit, to point fingers at each other, instead of dealing with the issue. Either we blame politicians or the forces, no matter if scientist or a foreign OEM is the problem.

    Exocet is not ordered for M2K, nor Rafale, which makes no sense anyway, given the location of their bases in the north. Maritime attack had importance in MMRCA though and IAF preferred Harpoon over Exocet.
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Safranized Kaveri .....
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Strange India didn't tryed to integrate Astra on M2000.
     
  5. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Doubtful, the EF consortium has better relations with Indian industry, which makes it easier to find the right partners apart from HAL. The industrial benefit of the EF bid was always more likely to be better, simply by the potential Airbus, BAE, RR, Leonardo and Co could have offered and the partnership level India would have got in the EF consortium. Web also could have got T3A fighters earlier than Rafales, because the higher output of the EF production line, which would had been the same deal we made for Su 30Ks.
    The only question was, at what costs and which capabilities / roles had more importance?

    No doubt about that, but then again that doesn't justify the disadvantage of having more than 1 MMRCA type. And if you keep in mind, that we will use M2Ks till 2035 and that stealth fighters and maybe UCAVs will arrive in between, the importance of Rafale in that specific role is rather limited. The minute we get stealth aircrafts, they will take over the strategic roles, because they add more advantages to it.

    Dassault yes, Congress not, since they faced the same issue as BJP and both parties were not able to conclude it for the same reason. If at all you have to blame both for not rejecting Dassault and move on to the L2.

    With the most you mean nothing right?

    1) 90+ fighters short of the requirement => major loss for IAF

    2) No production line => major loss for job creation in India

    3) No ToT => major loss for the Indian aviation industry

    All this was the goal of MMRCA and the hard work of IAF and MoD!
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Sure !
    A vendor of a BMW, with quite no more orders in back log, making all his possible to avoid a great and neraly inked deal.... :crazy:
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    how many Harpoon IAF baught ?
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    It's why India decided to work during MMRCA and after with Dassault !

    Don't You realize that you are completely out of touch with reality ? Facts are facts. Rafale was the plane IAF wanted and want.
     
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  9. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Not really, L2 means that it's the more expensive "suitable" option. It was shortlisted, because it complied to most of IAF operational and MoDs industrial requirements, but was not the cheapest offer, that's all. It never was rejected, but exclusive negotiations were done only with the L1.
    So if Dassault was not complying to the RFP, it must be rejected and negotiations with the L2 need to be started, because that was the 2nd option to get what we wanted with the tender.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    =>

    BJP in opposition protested and delayed the Rafale selection too, not to mention that we saw even BJP officials protesting the PMs Rafale deal for the most nonsense reasons:

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...f-rafale-deal-is-finalised/article7090375.ece


    So leave politics out of this and focus on what was / is the best for IAF and our aviation industry, because only that is important.
     
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  11. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    It was not developed at the time and just as Derby or Meteor, would be too long for the fuselage stations.

    Rafale was selected as the cheaper one, not as the one that offers more techs or industrial advantages.
     
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    internal opposition grounded..
     
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    The estimate bill for sharing the API code for the necessary integration with the French Radar/Weapon store, pylon integration, validation and testing would be very high as Usual, and IAF is impressed with the MICA IR/RF. Till now Astra have the Russian Agat Seeker, and with Astra MK2 version, the Desi seeker should deployed, and would become the main BVR weapon.
     
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    With the user of the Mirage 2K, Rafale becomes the obvious choice, and IAF wanted the French weapon system, looking at the history, of providing the weapon support even during the sanctions and during the war, when many of the European and the US countries put the embargo.
     
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    The rules were Indian ones.
    If India top brass negociators were not keen with the Dassault approach, why didn't they broke the deal to bargain with EF? There is some good and strategic reasons you don't want to understand, post after post.
     

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