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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    The F-22 was locked on and killed by a Growler using a radar as well.

    http://www.snafu-solomon.com/2016/04/the-truth-about-ea-18-growler-kill-on-f.html

    These single incidents don't really mean anything. These are just interesting incidents.
     
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  2. lexa

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    It's not the advantage of LPI. It can be implemented for Pulse-Doppler. Furthermore it's harder to implement for LPI
     
  3. lexa

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    Maybe you give me the link?
     
  4. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I told you that PD radar can be jammed easily compared to LPI.
     
  5. lexa

    lexa FULL MEMBER

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    In general case it's depends from way of jamming (and you've agreed with me) . But you described the principle of LPI incorrectly. If you mean that LPI is sending pulse and thereafter switch off and reflected signal is recieved by radars of other aircrafts is a principle of multistatic radar.
    If original source radar send not cloaked signal (btw it doesn't make sense to switch off the receiver especially for multimode AESA) it will be easy intercepted (ie that's not LPI).
    In case of cloaked signal you need to send signal props to aircafts that recieve the signal for proper signal processing
     
  6. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    When did i say that. In LPI, you are transmitting one freq just once and the TRM after that duty cycle goes to standby mode. You have to pick up this freq, copy it and retransmit it for active cancellation to take place. But by the time you do all that, the TRM has switched off and will not receive the signal sent by you. Now this will go on for every freq that is transmitted by the LPI AESA radar moreover it will vary the freq in a random manner so even if you know all the possible combinations for freq change, you will never know which of them is going to be used next.
     
  7. lexa

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    Possibility of cancellation depends from pulse duration and power of
    processing in the jammer and you don't need to switch-off TRM you just need to process received signal as reflected pulse in limited time
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Agreed. The problem is not for LPI AESA radar, the problem is for the aircraft using Active cancellation to hide itself.
     
  9. BON PLAN

    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    During one exercise, in 2009 in Corsica, where the english EF team choose the engagement rules, Rafale team won by 7 to 1. The sole french loss was a youg pilot flying under the minimum imposed altitude !
    It was 4 Rafale vs 4 EF. 1st engagement : 4-0 for the french. Second 3-1.

    An EF pilot said that his radar can't lock and find a fire solution.

    Until few years, GB avoid all training against Rafale....
    http://www.portail-aviation.com/2012/05/rafale-et-typhoon-seviten.html
     
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    sunstersun Lieutenant IDF NewBie

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    Guessing no source on the 2009 exercise?

    I don't doubt the Rafale is superior to the Typhoon.
     
  11. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    "Carton plein" for the Rafale, during exercises in the UAE
    JEAN-DOMINIQUE MERCHET DECEMBER 18, 2009

    (UPDATE : JANUARY 28, 2015 )

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    The participation of six Rafale F3 fighter jets in the recent Air Tactical Leadership Course (ATLC) held in the United Arab Emirates from 15 November to 9 December was "a total success". "We did a good job," saidLieutenant-Colonel Fabrice Grandclaudon, commander of 1/7 Provence Squadron (Saint-Dizier).

    Participation in this major international exercise was very important for France as negotiations for the sale of Rafale 60 in the UAE continue.Clearly, a good point was scored by the French with their colleagues UAE.Especially as the availability of the Rafale was "exemplary" : they were able to participate in all exercises with two patrols of four planes per day, from the base of Al Dhafra

    The "plateau" gathered for this ATLP was impressive: F-16 C / D block 60 and Mirage 2000-9 (Emirates), F-16 MLU (Jordan), F-7 [a modernized version of Mig-21] (Pakistan ), Typhoon [Eurofighter] (United Kingdom) and F-16 CJ and F-22 (United States). More Awacs and tankers. The exercise consists of simulating large raids, up to forty aircraft, in "realistic missions representative of a high intensity conflict" . The aircraft must face an airborne and ground-to-air oppositon.

    In terms of air combat, its frontal optronic sector (OSF) allowed the Rafale to visually identify targets up to 30/40 kilometers, while the usual identification in air defense is between three and five kilometers. In terms of electronic warfare, the Rafales have detected surface-to-air threats that the American F-16 CJs, whose main purpose it is, had not seen. A Rafale was able to simulate the firing of six air-to-ground ammunition (A2SM) on 6 different (programmed) targets at a distance of 20 to 40 kilometers, then fire three Mica air-to-air missiles, all in one minute - which was the most versatile of the plane.

    In air-to-air clashes, the Rafale "put sheets" on the Typhoons of the Royal Air Force, Lt. Col. Grandclaudon assures. In a degraded version, at four against four, the Rafale achieved scores of 4 to 0 and 3 to 1.

    The French fighter aircraft also rubbed shoulders with the F-22, the most modern fighter of the USAF. During a game, they played each other six times, with the F-22 taking just one shot at goal.

    https://translate.google.fr/transla...fale-lors-dexercices-aux-emirats/&prev=search
     
  12. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    It is under the right conditions, we know that Rafale has advantages in lower level close combats and long range visual ID. So dogfights in a certain area and BVR combats that require ID of the target before launch of the missile, will play in favour for Rafale.
     
  14. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    It doesn't matter if it was the Growler or SH, the AESA radar is the same and so is the missile. The F-22 doesn't have electronic attack capability either, it's getting it only now.
     
  15. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    And that's why I said before, that you doesn't understand the importance of that kill. :disagree:

     

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