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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Still no clue what you mean, but the UK seems to have made an agreement with Qatar, that could be good for MII and additional Hawk sales. Check the EF thread.
     
  2. BON PLAN

    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    No. I just say it's easier to built a Su, technically less complicated than a Rafale (or any modern fighter).
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    HAL has a lot of wrong practices and think it knows everything about fighter.... we see the result with the slow moving assembly line of Tejas.

    The chosen (chosen by DA, it helps) newbie has all to learn, with no bad habit, and from one of the most skilled aeronautic actor.

    And in this case DA has the possibility to interact directly in the process, that was impossible with HAL.
     
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  4. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog IDF NewBie

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    So, more composite means more advanced ? Does LCA count with 45+% composite more than any fighter.

    When did HAL said that? If anyone is arrogant thats Dassult with quoting wrong number to get L1 then derailing MMRCA to their advantage. HAL have zero say in this.

    LCA proves incompetency of whole system (DRDO,ADA,HAL) nothing specific to HAL.

    With this logic, lockheed martin has lot of wrong practices and think it knows everything about fighter.... we see the result with the slow moving assembly line of F-35. Is that the case?

    You still failed to explain how HAL failed to absorb technology. Which was your basic argument.
     
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  5. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Yes
     
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  6. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Is it? I thought Rafale was designed without air break, a fixed radar and a fixed refuelling probe, to have less moving parts and be less complicated. The Su 30 has all of that + TVC, twin tail and even more parts, which should make it more complicated.
     
  8. The enlightened

    The enlightened Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    And that Ladies and Gents, is all that there is to Rafale 'stealth'.

    viz. 'it is stealth because an anonymous French poster who I 100% believe said so' [​IMG]
     
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  9. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Bruno Revellin-Falcoz, Vice-Chairman, Dassault Aviation.

    Anyway, Picdel isn't anonymous. His avatar is his picture and his CV is available in his profile.
     
  10. The enlightened

    The enlightened Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Are you sure you know what ADA is?
    Aeronautical Development Agency

    There are no 'other fields' for ADA to be successful in coz it works in only a single field.


    Even Al-31F is manufactured by HAL. Manufactured!

    “The AL31FP engine powers the Su30 MKI and has been manufactured from the raw material stage by HAL. All the components, including heavy forgings, are manufactured at HAL,” said T Suvarna Raju, CMD.
     
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  11. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    But if I said so it's because Bruno Revelin Falcoz said so too
    Bruno Revelin Falcoz CV:

    http://indiandefence.com/threads/f1...s-and-possibilities.56222/page-19#post-502732

    Brono Revellin Falcoz declaration:



    At 30' 50" Bruno Revellin Falcoz on the video
    "Bien sûr nous sommes dans des domaines un peu confidentiel, mais disons que la signature vue par l'avant d'un Rafale, c'est la signature d'un moineau."
    Translation
    Of course we are in areas somewhat confidential, but we can say that the front view signature of a Rafale is the signature of a sparrow.
     
  12. The enlightened

    The enlightened Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    How did Active cancellation produce a signal of a sparrow? It should be producing the signal of a black hole.

    [​IMG]
     
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  13. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Nothing is perfect
     
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    'Ideal' conditions don't exist.
     
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    dadeechi Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    It is not HAL's incapability that private industry is concerned about rather it is the lack of accountability, lack of performance and lack of political power to influence decisions.

    Why blame DA, if given a choice no private firm except Russians would tie up with any DPSU unless GoI mandates it.

    Russians would tie up as they have similar DPSU setup back there and the deals are pretty much Government-to-Government.

    Note Russia was the only country which went ahead with the nuke deal with India even when the liability clause was not yet passed. They know that if things go south like in the case of the Admiral Gorshkov (INS Vikramaditya), Russian government would work with Government of India to renegotiate the deal. Other private firms & countries do not have the same level of relations and luxury.
     
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