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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. BON PLAN

    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Like to say a Lada is more complicated to produce than a recent BMW....

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    superplastic forming, friction welding, very accurate composites parts... It's the Rafale world.
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    After producing 200+ Su30, they are still unable to produce more than 8 Tejas a year, only IOC, without a proper engine, over weight from 1 ton (ie 15% to 20% over weight).

    It's not enough for you?

    a HAl kind company would never exist in china for exemple. I know it's sad, but it's true.
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    What is the last commercial success of HAL ?
     
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    DAC O DAC FULL MEMBER

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    Tejas : what a great HAL success.....

    not more than 8 per year. still in IOC thirty years before first studies. Obese. Deficiencies in air intakes. etc....
     
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    DAC O DAC FULL MEMBER

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    there are plenty of !

    You just have to want to see them.... "if we do not want to see, we look elsewhere"
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Of course if you want to make them up. But if you would inform yourself instead, you would know that LCA is not developed by HAL, but by ADA, so development delays or design issues have nothing to do with the production, or the capability of HAL.

    Don't just follow Bon Plan's example to talk about things that he evidently don't understand, because it makes you look as clueless as him. :rolleyes2:
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Just that in your case the Rafale would be the Lada and the MKI would be the BMW, since it comes with more electrical and mechanical extras, while the Lada just as the Rafale is reduced to the bare minimum. So even here you are contradicting yourself.
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    So indian are fool enough to buy expensive Lada when they arlready have MII and affordable BMW.....

    You are so deseperate ?
     
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    smestarz Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    You really did not understand what @Sancho said right? But unfortunately at a point you are right,
    The Indian development of Su-30 MKI is stuck in a way, if you do look at Rafale development, it is incremental over a period of time, F2, F3, F3R etc etc but unfortunately for Su-30 MKI the development of new avionics has not happened or rather IAF believes in "batch development" where they use the planes till say the overhauls and then think about developments. One of the people responsible for this is IAF because of the proper lack of vision. AESA has been here for more than a decade., how much has IAF stressed for having AESA for Su-30 MKI? If its not from the Russian manufacturer have they tried and considered it from another other source such as ELTA? Designwise and flight capability wise Su-30 MKI is superior than Rafale, where Su-30 MKI has fell back is the avionics which have not been upgraded since these planes were put into production. However there are develoipments and these have gone to the newer models like Su-30 SM and Su-35 but IAF has not bothered to keep up with these developments or beyond and stressed the importance of having some latest avionics for this top of the line plane. So in a way, IAF is hell bent on making Su-30 MKI obsolete due to their lack of vision.



    When India purchased
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    We are buying the Lada/Rafale because it's cheaper to operate than the MKI/BMW and because it has more milage. :dirol:
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    He does understand that an MKI with more mechanical systems and more parts in general, logically is more complicated to produce, but he is just too biased to admit it, since that goes contrary to the claims against HAL.
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    The smaller the parts are, the harder it is to produce. Rafale is smaller.
    Rafale has now an AESA radar. MKI? rely on PESA.
    2 engines, but M88 run at a higher temperature and has a greater life, ie better metalurgical skill x2.
    Composite : where are the composites parts on MKI?
    machining tolerances ? Russians are worldwide known for that. It's why the russian made rockets failure rate is so high.... :p
    etc....
     
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    very strange statement. Definitely India has successes in space techs but HAL is not related to them. Maybe HAL the best in India in aeronautics, but still not good enough for a long time. You don't believe that India can more?
     
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    Tell me pls why do you think so?
     
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    Ironhide IDF NewBie

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    Let us get back to the topic of Rafale instead of this ongoing HAL, MKI vs Rafale debate.
     

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