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Rafale deal signed

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  1. Picdelamirand-oil

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    Armament: Egypt is getting closer to a new command of Rafale and Gowind corvettes

    Florence Parly goes to Egypt at the end of the week. It will prepare the next visit of Emmanuel Macron planned at the beginning of the year during which Cairo could sign new arms contracts (Rafale and corvettes Gowind).

    For France, the Paris / Cairo axis remains very important in the Near and Middle East, a region marked by an extremely unstable geopolitical context. Having received in October in Paris President Abdel Fattah al Sissi, Emmanuel Macron should also visit early next year, in late January or early February, according to our information.

    The Head of State had explained to his host that he wanted to continue the relationship of trust between Egypt and France.This is why the Minister of Armed Forces, Florence Parly, has on her agenda a trip to Egypt at the end of this week, which will be used to prepare the next visit to Cairo by the French president.

    12 or 24 Rafale in Egypt?


    In addition to bilateral relations, Abdel Fattah al Sissi is expected to sign new contracts in favor of French arms manufacturers. Like Qatar, which has recently lifted an option for Rafale 12 , Egypt should also acquire 12 or 24 additional French fighter planes. The number of Rafale is still under discussion between Cairo and Dassault Aviation. In February 2015, the aircraft manufacturer signed in Cairo its first Rafale export sale (24 in total).

    In any case, Bercy no longer blocks negotiations at the request of the Elysee. According to our information, it was Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian who went in mid-November to bring the new French proposal to Sissi in Sharm el-Sheikh, where the youth forum was being held. The two men maintain very good relations of trust. Negotiations between the Egyptian Army and Dassault Aviation started in early 2016 for the purchase of additional Rafale.

    Two new Gowind corvettes?


    Naval Group is also in the starting blocks for the sale of two new Gowind corvettes of 2,400 tons, equipped with its fighting system, the Setis, after the four sold in 2014 . Two corvettes that could be made in Lorient. Cairo is still very interested in this acquisition.

    For three years, Egypt has launched the modernization of its armed forces with the support of France. Paris is committed to providing new equipment, particularly to the Air Force (24 Rafale, a military telecom satellite) and the Navy (four Gowind corvettes, one FREMM, two BPCs). This represented nearly seven billion euros (6.83 billion) contracts for the French arms industry between 2014 and 2016.

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  2. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Good news for MII : the more Rafale Dassault need to build in France for Egypt/Qatar/UAE (maybe), the more any order from India would involve indian industry...
     
  3. LonewolfSandeep

    LonewolfSandeep Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    this forum is officially dead - its been taken over by pak it seems, all existing admins etc have been demoted...
    Goodbye friends, maybe meet again in another forum...
     
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  4. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    http://www.thestatesman.com/opinion/subtle-refutal-1502551565.html/amp?__twitter_impression=true


    Even BJP members have to voice concern, over the dismal performance of the government wrt the defence modernisation, including the Rafale deal.
     
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  5. Picdelamirand-oil

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    Rafale Deal: Dassault, US Ex-Envoy Flagged HAL’s Quality Control

    The stalemate between the Indian government and French aircraft manufacturing company Dassault over the supply of 126 fourth-generation Rafale fighter jets, was not so much because of pricing as much as the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd’s (HAL) competence to deliver on quality, top Indian Air Force sources have revealed to The Quint.

    Two reports by the then American ambassador to India Timothy Roemer and teams of specialists from Dassault, raised critical questions about low quality standards at the HAL, and constitute the likely reason behind the Narendra Modi government’s decision to let Anil Ambani’s Reliance Defence seal the deal with the French aircraft manufacturing major.

    “HAL Not Competent to Partner With”

    Defence Ministry sources said that Roemer and Dassault, as well as top IAF officers, agree that quality would have been compromised had the HAL been the Indian partner of the French manufacturer.

    Roemer’s confidential report to the then US administration under President Barack Obama, just before his tenure as ambassador ended in 2011, said in clear terms that the HAL was not competent to be a partner of either of the two American companies – Boeing and Lockheed Martin – that were keen to bid for India’s medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA), purely because it did not meet the quality standards the two US giants sought.

    After some French government officials were able to “lay their hands” on Roemer’s report, Dassault executives and specialists sought permission from the Defence Ministry, then under the stewardship of AK Antony of the Congress-led UPA, to visit HAL’s factory in Nashik where the Russian Sukhoi-30 fighter jets were being produced at the time.

    “Dassault Couldn’t Risk Global Reputation”

    Once permission was granted, based on Dassault’s study of HAL’s Nashik facility the French government conveyed their displeasure over quality control once it was discovered that there were production-related problems over the manufacture of the SU-30s. Dassault’s conclusion was that the company “could not risk its global reputation” by partnering with the HAL, as the latter’s production facilities in Nashik were “in shambles,” according to top IAF sources.

    Dassault submitted its report to the French government in early 2014.

    The IAF sources said that at the time, Antony reacted sharply and took the stand that the French government could not change its decision on the Rafale aircraft.

    However, the UPA government had little option in the face of Roemer and Dassault’s “scathing” reports.

    The sources recalled that talks between the French and Indian governments for the supply of 36 fighter aircraft began a year after the Modi government assumed power in May 2014. By that time, the acquisition of 126 MMRCA aircraft was in a “logjam” primarily because of the HAL’s quality issues.

    In April 2015, there was a government-to-government in-principle decision that India would purchase 36 Rafale aircraft in “fly away” condition, and that there would be no manufacturing in India. The final contract was signed in September 2016, with an exclusive clause that there would be no technology transfer to India.

    https://www.thequint.com/news/india/rafale-deal-dassault-us-envoy-unhappy-hal-quality-control
     
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    FOX // THREE
    DASSAULT AVIATION - SAFRAN - THALES

    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/dae/sponsors/sponsor_rafale/img/fox3_19.pdf
     
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  9. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Tu as deux messages personnels
     
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    Excellent !
     
  11. Picdelamirand-oil

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    India to again scout for global players for jets


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    Ajay Banerjee

    Tribune News Service

    New Delhi, February 21

    Its fleet of fighter jets dwindling, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) is set to float a fresh global tender inviting military aviation companies to make fighter jets in India.

    The move comes as the Air Force is now down to 31 squadrons against the need of 42, as mandated by the Cabinet Committee on Security. Each squadron has 16-18 planes. The request for information (RFI), the first step in the tendering process, is being finalised and will be sent out to global players, sources said.

    Companies that participated in the now scrapped Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) project will be invited. The MMRCA project for 126 jets did not fructify and the government, in April 2015, announced the move to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets from French major Dassault.

    The MoD and the IAF will keep its options open and not restrict itself to say a “single engine” fighter jet, sources have told The Tribune. The option will be to get a “fighter jet” and it will not specify the number of engines as that then restricts the options.

    These will be under ‘make in India’ and to get global manufactures to have a production line in India, the project needs adequate numbers with possibility of future expansions. To speed up matters, the MoD will be looking at new additions made by global players since the MMRCA trials were carried out in 2011. The planes tested then were Lockheed Martin’s F-16IN, US Boeing’s F/A-18IN, Eurofighter Typhoon, French Dassault’s Rafale, Swedish Saab’s Gripen and Russian MiG-35.

    In past two years, the IAF and the MoD were in talks for a “single engine” fighter jet with two global manufactures. However, this has been superseded by the thought process to just focus on getting additional jets without getting into “single engine” or “twin engine” variants. The existing production of 123 Tejas fighter jets being made by public sector giant Hindustan Aeronautics Limited is just taking off and it will take more than a decade for the entire lot to be manufactured. The IAF has the mandate to have 272 Sukhoi 30 MKI in its fleet. The MiG 21s are on their last legs and have to be phased out.

    http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/india-to-again-scout-for-global-players-for-jets/547826.html
     
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    @Sancho your story collapse...
     
  13. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Not sure what your point is, but we have seen this at the end of 2013/early 2014 too, when the government delayed a decision beyond the elections. Highly disappointing for IAF and 100% responsibility for Dassault!
    This whole mess could had been avoided long ago, if Dassault had played by the rules.
     
  14. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Btw, interesting that the US can block Scalp sales. Not so independent after all?
    E-2Ds for French Navy, French Army is considering Brimstone and possibly light attack aircrafts, to be independent from expensive Rafales of the Air Force..., many interesting reports this year already.
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The SCALP is not a French weapon but a cooperation with UK, and UK doesn't believe on the value of ITAR free weapons. And French people want ITAR free weapons for Strategic purpose only, not for all weapons. Rafale is considered as Strategic because it is used with ASMP for nuc. ASMP is also Strategic, but SCALP is not. For example ATL2 (the program I was in charge of the weapon system) is also Strategic because it is used to protect French approach during the departure of our SNLE. So the classification Strategic/not Strategic is not obvious.
     

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