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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    LSA is not required to have the range of a bomber. It is more of an escort fighter for aircraft like Su-30MKI. And yes, it is supposed to clear the path for these heavies to intrude into enemy airspace.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Escort for Su-30?

    It likely won't have the range of an Su-30 as a 'light' aircraft. Secondly the Su-30 will stand out and make the whole mission unstealthy.

    You'd be best using swarm technology to clear the path or an advanced hypersonic interceptor like maybe an AV-6 or SR-72 or whatever.
     
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    Make in India - MII: 90 Rafales will be made in India, with a potential for 180 jets in total. That's apart from the 36.

    The navy has a requirement for 54 jets. Those could come from France, or a mix of French and Indian production.

    India and Russia will be signing the massive FGFA contract. It will completely overshadow the Rafale deal. I mean, each jet is expected to cost $225M flyaway.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    That is where you guys go wrong. A light aircraft designed for a specific role with secondary capability for other roles will need smaller engine and due to its small size will be able to have longer range compared to multirole heavy aircraft. remember the quadruple rule for aircraft weight.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    The LSA's fuel fraction will be 0.35 on internal fuel. And it will be plumbed for CFTs.
     
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    From Trappier, Dassault CEO:
    France is not USA, if we want to sell a plane, this plane has to be a good one.

    Ahahahahah
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The aircraft design is specifically altered by repositioning airscoops and exhausts to ensure fitment of low drag, high capacity CFTs which allow for retaining full 9G capability once empty.
     
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    Most part of the offset are in fact preparation of make in India.
    It means whatever SAAB BoEING or LM will have propose for the next RFP, they will have to add 4 billion compare to Dassault futur proposal. And probably 2 additional year of industrialization that Dassault would have already done.

    Game over
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Rafale isn't competing. It's a done deal.

    The others are competing for the single engine deal. Boeing has no chance obviously.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    That tends to run contrary to what is observed in fighter design. Longer range fighters tend to be larger.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    How would that escort something like a B-21, which will probably have strategic range?
     
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    I very clearly stated that it is not for supporting bombers but aircraft like Su-30MKI.
     
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    Smaller aircraft can also have large fuel fraction. It all depends on how you design the aircraft. FYI, a flying wing has largest fuel volume in it.
     
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    Why will it escort the B-21?
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Larger fighters will tend to have longer range for the same fuel fraction. But an aircraft optimized for one role can be smaller while having better area rule optimization, lesser wetted area and/or higher fuel fraction and thus achieve longer range than a larger aircraft. This is also true for multirole designs. In fact, both YF-16 and F-16A had longer range than F-15A because F-16 had higher fuel fraction than F-15A. However, multirole fighters tend to have reinforced airframe for carrying bombs, so high fuel fraction is harder for them to achieve.
     
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