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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. OnePunchMan

    OnePunchMan 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    yes you do when trying to go against the anglo media which will bad mouth or ridicule any non anglo thing or person in general you need to create propaganda or just tell the facts for crying out loud 2 other people who excel at this type of corporate propaganda are russian and swedes france and french news is really vague in india we hardly have any french channels or indo french news agencies people are clueless about france and the level of partnership that goes on DA needs to up their game start from basic advertising online ads,fliers and some op ed articles in india only few defence aficionados are your only following rest is american or other foreign paid yellow journalism and as always we are outnumbered and very few in number.

    see this and that's at many bus stand in delhi.

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  2. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    I don't think this is true at all. Intense media attention forced the UPA to unilaterally cancel the AW-101 deal with ordered having already commenced and blacklist countless entities before that (IMI, Denel, SALEX etc etc).

    Rarely will a GoI stick to their guns (pun not intended) if the media is going on the attack, especially in the age of digital 24/7 media.
     
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  3. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Do you think it is safe to assume the HMD is the JHMCS?
     
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    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    If I am not mistaken the Grippen uses GE engines. Engines seem to be a big part of jet fighters, guess you could hook an engine up to a cow with horns and call it a jet fighter.
     
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    ReddyMan FULL MEMBER

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    I doubt more Rafales are coming.

    I can't imagine they can deliver so many frames within time limit given their current backlog and low production rate. MII won't increase the production rates either, since bottleneck will be in French factories for critical components. I predict second small order for IAF and nothing else to follow.

    Boeing can churn out F-18s at a much faster rate with kit assembly units shipped to an Indian assembly plant. ToT for F414 and assistance for AMCA would be the deal sweetener. The first AMCA-TD should roll out before 2020, full production could roll out from same assembly plant of F-18 MII a decade later.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    DA have upped their production rate already and in a few years will be at their full capacity of 3/month.

    There will be ample capacity beyond 2019 to service the future needs of the IAF/IN as well as to support the MII line.
    Safran is already working on uprating the Kaveri which would be a far sweeter outcome.

    Not a chance in hell.
     
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    somedude Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Yeah but on the other hand, it seems France is quite popular in India. According to a December survey:

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    82% of Indians like France, and 34% even like it a lot!
     
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    A_poster Captain FULL MEMBER

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    While it is true that most people have positive views about France , but this poll has serious methodological deficiencies. 67% Indians having positive views about China. Not a chance. Nearly everyone has come to hate it in past two years,and even before that, it was not the favorite country of Indians.

    And Germany would get as high a rating as France, and USA would be higher than indicated in that poll.
     
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  9. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    No it's 67 % of Chinese who love France! :azn:
     
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    cannonballs FULL MEMBER

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    I think its the other way around. Its a french article they are showing percent of people liking french in each countries. So that 67% is Chinese-French thing not Indian-Chinese.
     
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    Gessler Mod MODERATOR

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    Well, guess what? DA with little noise managed to grab 7.8 billion Euro deal.

    I agree DA needs to be more active in the Indian corporate scene. However, SAAB, Boeing & LockMart seem to be more concerned about public opinion than actually offering a competitive product!
     
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    stephen cohen Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    We really need to quickly seal the Rafale -Make in India agreement
     
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    LonewolfSandeep Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Example quoting @PARIKRAMA & @Abingdonboy below to say the least marked in blue

    Publicly stating like saab how much local aeronautical environment DA willing to help create in India & how its willing to help in future Indian productions like AMCA LCA etc (open to joint ventures etc) would go a long way & not to mention countering the frequent public propaganda that Rafale is extremely expensive as compared to LM & SAAB products be a step in right direction. (not to forget state that for 36 planes already indian specific customisation DM has already done, hence DA in position to be cheaper than both LM & Saab products. In a democracy public opinion matters, remember the political class also answers to its constituencies, going against public opinion is not always wise. limited campaigns in print & news media be seriously advisable.



    @PARIKRAMA
    "Yes it is if you are against Saab, LM and Boeing

    Even more if you say it's cheaper and tag Trump and say F35 is killing US economy. Enough to have a retweet and also an endorsement saying French folks are the best..

    And our whole country full of ignorant folks who worships anything USA related to be of Alien technology level to accept Rafales as most practical solution..

    Honestly.. not joking !!"

    @Abingdonboy
    "In a democratic nation where the populace is ill-informed and the media openly biased? I would say YES.

    The fact is, in India, DA is engaged in a propoganda war with the likes of LM, Boeing and SAAB, refusing to take part will not make the war cease, it will ony allow DA's opponants to have an unobstructed goal.

    For all the anti-Rafale articles we have seen, how many pro-Rafale have we seen?

    Like it or not, all of this negative PR against DA/Rafale has created a perception issue for the Rafale (seen as costly and French as out to loot India), this has allowed the predatroy OEMs to swoop in and offer their products (F-16s/F-18/Gripens) depsite them being unwanted and having failed the IAF's technical criteria.

    I would say DA has a huge PR issue on its hands in India and the ONLY thing that has saved them is Modi's sense, but if forwhatever reason Modi is less involved in the next stage of MII talks things could get very ugly for DA and Parrikar will find it easy to sell the F-16/Gripen buy to the gulable masses and bought off media."
     
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    ReddyMan FULL MEMBER

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    Ill believe it when I see it, especially since Rafale is going to get a major upgrade. Current production numbers don't look too good. If this turns into a 55-Squadrom numbers game, then DA can't compete with the mass-production prowess of the American giants.

    They have said similar things years ago. I see it as another bait and switch on their end. Maybe this time they have a chance to deliver until next year when twin-engine MII kicks off as per Parrikar. A good move by him to focus on single-engine MII right now, and give time for France to deliver offesets with the 36 Rafales. Also gives time for new Trump admin to up their offering to muscle out the French. If they really want that Asian pivot, this is the best way to achieve it.

    We will see. Presence of a flying AMCA-TD itself would boost bargaining power on our side. If they give the go-ahead with a design freeze incorporating the F414 this year, then by 2019 a TD could be flying.
     
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  15. OnePunchMan

    OnePunchMan 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    sounds like a good idea and it still would be economical and much better than the F-35 who still can't fly properly yet lol jk jk jk:D:sick::yey:

    but i like your posts man you sure keep the things light hearted around here with your mad banters please keep posting i really like you average american:yes2:;)
     
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