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Rafale deal signed

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by PARIKRAMA, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. Gessler

    Gessler BANNED BANNED

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    Targo for IAF is bought via HALBIT (a JV floated by HAL & Elbit). Don't know if they carry out local production or just joint marketing - localization would make sense if ordered in huge quantities.
     
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  2. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major IDF NewBie

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    HALBIT should be producing them locally by now considering the quantities involved.

    HALBIT should be doing a lot of business these days with the COMPASS being ordered for 150+ Rudra, 200+ LCH and Targo will feature on both platforms.

    Hopefully the IAF/IA also ends up asking for the Targo to be intergrated on their FLIR equipped ALH and LUH, this will expand the requirement by another 200-300 units at least.
     
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  3. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major IDF NewBie

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    So it had been DASH III for the test team and will be Targo for operational models?
     
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  4. R!CK

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    Not exactly sure y we switched to Targo. But the newer LSP onwards, only Targo was procured. I also heard that we used Targo at Bahrain, but I can't verify it. Not exactly my domain, so my information is very limited.

    Good Day!
     
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  5. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major REGISTERED

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  6. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major IDF NewBie

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    This is a good question and why I would reiterate what @halloweene sir said (compiling a comparative analysis of all relevent HMSDs), I'm not too sure what the performance measures would be (weight? angle of view? tracking sensitivity?). Perhaps the IAF has made their decsion based on operational/cost considerations (maximum commonality with the rest of the fleet)?

    + the F-35's HMSD is still not ready to be made operational.
     
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  7. CNL-PN-AA

    CNL-PN-AA 2nd Lieutant MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The big issue is to increase power by keeping same consumption, same reliability and same maintenance. Same or less ...
     
  8. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I definitely agree sir. Defining first performance measures is a "must do". Maybe Halbit is communicative? I'll try with Thalès and Sagem, but getting the definition of a screw from them can take months.
     
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  9. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major IDF NewBie

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    Good luck getting anything out of HAL!

    Even their website looks like it was designed in 1999, all they show for HMSD is this tiny thumbnail:

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    ^ Targo?


    On a side note Interestingly, I did stumble across this (from that outdated site):

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    HALBIT Seaking Full Mission Simulator - Rear Crew Cabin View

    I've never seen what the mission consoles inside an IN Sea King Mk.42B look like.
     
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  10. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major IDF NewBie

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    TOPSIGHT-I (Samtal-Thales joint venture):

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    [​IMG]
     
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  11. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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  12. Ankit Kumar 001

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    That's one nice find.
     
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    shaktimaan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    video on Targo - II
     
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  14. stephen cohen

    stephen cohen Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    So if we are buying 36 More off the Shelf ; what about Make in India
     
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  15. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    That's separate. And more numbers than MMRCA program.
     

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