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Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by DrSomnath999, Mar 6, 2012.

  1. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    It will be studied and will continue development for the next 30 years. But it is ready to be operationalized.
     
  2. X_Killer

    X_Killer 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    The F3R standard development contract for the RAFALE combat aircraft was announced. The F3R standard is an evolution of the RAFALE “F3” standard. It is part of the ongoing process to continuously improve the aircraft in line with operational requirements. It will enable Dassault Aviation to integrate the following equipment and weapons onto the RAFALE:
    – The European METEOR long-range air-to-air missile produced by MBDA. This high-performance missile will achieve maximum effectiveness thanks to the “active array” radar which equips all production RAFALE aircraft delivered since mid-2013. The first guided firing of a METEOR was conducted from a RAFALE in April 2015.
    – The Thales TALIOS new-generation laser designator pod. Primarily used for air-to-ground strikes, in daylight or darkness, this pod will further enhance the high degree of precision that the RAFALE has achieved since its first engagements (in 2007 in the Afghan theater).
    – The laser homing version of the Sagem AASM Air-to-Ground Modular Weapon HAMMER. This family of weapons, with GPS primary guidance and an additional booster, is unmatched. It was used by the RAFALE during operations in Libya (2011) to destroy targets at ranges of several dozens of kilometers with metric precision. The laser homing version is particularly adapted to moving targets. Partial integration of this weapon was already performed as an “urgent operational requirement” for the French intervention in Mali.
    F3 R will also include upgrades to RAFALE sensors and to systems ensuring total interoperability. Validation of the F3 R standard is scheduled for 2018.

    For Indian version, there are some more changes are promised
    1. Uprated Engine, which makes Indian RAFALEs most powerful in terms of thurst
    2. Integration of all aerial weapons available with IAF ( $2 bn allocated within the Contract)


    Cost wise : RAFALE F3R will be nearly double costlier than f3

    Yes , Qatar Ordered Rafale F3R but Egypt Ordered F3.3
     
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  3. X_Killer

    X_Killer 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Bro, currently Dassault is producing Rafale F3 and maybe by year end they will going to start the production of F3R.
    Since, DEDIRA is not mentioned under F3R specifications, that's why we can say , DEDIRA may be a part of F4 , which will hit the ground after 2022
     
  4. Ved Mishra

    Ved Mishra Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Well if F3R is not yet in production then what is being supplied to Qatar and Egypt? If it's not in production then they are not getting F3R. Please clarify.

    Further what thrust has IAF asked for? How much it is more than current version?
     
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    X_Killer 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Qatar Air Force should receive the first fighter Rafale in mid-2018 as the pace of deliveries will be one plane per month.the delivery of 24 fighter aircraft Dassault Rafale (18 single-seat Rafale EQ and six two-seater Rafale DQ)

    IAF asked for higher thurst to operate them at LEH region (world's highest battlefield). Dry Thurst will be approximately 10% higher. Actual figures are not known to me , I'll mentioned it as soon as I get this figure.
     
  6. BON PLAN

    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Be very cautious ! Le Foll is "only" the spokesman of the French Govt. I have some doubt about that. He said that in a strange manner....
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Egypt received and will receive french derivative F3.4 Rafale. The only difference is the removal of all components for nuclear deterrence.
    Qatar will received F3R planes.
     
  8. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    DEDIRA finished development in 2015 IIRC. @Picdelamirand-oil?

    It is part of F3R. In fact it doesn't need F3R to become operational, it is most likely already operational among existing units.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    IAF asked for no such thing. Rafale cleared Leh trials comfortably, along with Typhoon.
     
  10. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    F3R get an improvement of SPECTRA, it's not very precise! We also know that DEDIRA is fine on B301 Rafale. So the only problem is how long does it takes to perform from prototype to serial Equipment? It seems that there is enough time for F3R.
     
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  11. DrSomnath999

    DrSomnath999 Major RESEARCHER

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    Wrong !!
    IAF 's rafale is customised F3+ variant not F3R

    F3R lacks IRST channel but IAF rafale would be having IRST channel.It may be a new IRST model/ or the same old production model

    it would have customised avionics /weapon system also indian /isreali variant ,
    improved engine ,satcom capabilty

    even customized Spectra threat library systems (classified)

    CHEERS
     
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    DrSomnath999 Major RESEARCHER

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  13. X_Killer

    X_Killer 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    The cost of F3.3 and F3R have a difference of nearly double.
    If we compare it with Egytian (F3.3) & Qatar's (F3R) Rafale deal than we will get the similarities between IAF's and Qatar's deal.

    We are discussing it here because the details of RAFALE deal is still confidential. I'm pretty sure about the RAFALE standard opted by IAF.

    GOOD DAY
     
  14. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I find the first advertising for DEDIRA

    DEDIRA (DEmonstrateur de DIscrétion RAfale), FRENCH STEALTH RAFALE PROJECT.
    DEDIRA is now the official name of the global project to reduce rafale radar signature which contain passive and active solutions.
    The features that very are likely to be integrated to reduce further rafale radar signature are :
    • Improved air intake design
    • New generation RAM
    • Stealth Cocoon and hard point to hide weapons
    • GaN spectra (already in development since 2009 under the INCAS project (INsert CApability Spectra)
    • Other features kept secret by the french Mod
    Air & Cosmos no 2269, 10 Juin 2011.
    So it confirms that INCAS is needed to make DEDIRA and it was 5-6 years ago so it's normal that it ends.
     
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  15. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Unless Thales started the production of the old IRST again, there won't be an IRST for IAF! Remember, they offered it trough MMRCA as part of the ToT package and if the production would be diverted to India, which obviously didn't happened. That's why the advertise IRST capability only via MICA IR since the production stopped.
     
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