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Rajputs redux

Discussion in 'National Politics' started by _Anonymous_, Nov 23, 2017.

  1. _Anonymous_

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    Rajputs redux
    Mukul Kesavan
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    The rearguard action that Rajputs have steadfastly fought to find honour in medieval defeat continues with the battle of Bhansali. Once upon a time the effort to salvage glory from the wreckage of history consisted of bardic narratives and modern hagiographies that talked up episodes of individual valour, embedded though they were in collective failure.

    Indian cricket fans of a certain age will sympathize with this strategy. There was a time when the Indian cricket team won very little: it managed a few honourable draws and lost most of the Tests it played. Being a fan meant lingering over great individual performances in a losing cause. Pataudi, hobbled but heroic, limping to two brave fifties in Australia; Gavaskar scoring centuries in both innings of a Test against Pakistan on a tour that we lost 2-0; Azharuddin's blazing hundred in England in reply to Graham Gooch's match-winning triple century; these performances gave us something to remember. We found consolation where we could: we totted up individual averages, counted Gavaskar's centuries and proved to our satisfaction that Kapil Dev was a better all-rounder than Ian Botham, Richard Hadlee and Imran Khan. Especially Imran Khan.

    Likewise, revisionist patriots and virile Hindus were fans first and historians afterwards. They looked to former Rajput captains for both inspiration and consolation. Rana Sanga and Rana Pratap became names to conjure with in colonial India as generations of Bengali boys called Rana will tell you. The heroic refusal of the rulers of Mewar to serve as vassals was read as a moral victory in the absence of any other kind. More recently, Hemu, who occupied Delhi before being defeated by Akbar's army, was hailed by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad as an Indic night-watchman who briefly occupied the imperial crease before Akbar's long innings.

    This habit of restaging history's hinge moments by writing romances like like Bankim Chandra Chatterjee's Anandmath or epic poems like Shyam Narayan Pandey's Haldighati amounts to a kind of book cricket where your team scores eight hundred runs between morning assembly and the tiffin break and wins by an innings and five hundred runs by the time the school bell rings. It happens everywhere, this cult of the Light Brigade that ennobles defeat. In other countries, though, the fact of defeat isn't disputed, just its meaning.

    In India, however, the Bharatiya Janata Party government of Rajasthan and its historians have expanded the possibilities of this consolatory genre: they have discovered that Maharana Pratap of Mewar didn't just live to fight another day in 1576, he actually won the battle of Haldighati. In Rajasthan's Class X textbooks, the canard that Rana Pratap lost the battle has been fixed. This has opened up other inflection points in history that might have been misread, not just in India but elsewhere. For example, the real but neglected possibility that Napoleon might have won Waterloo. Or the suppressed alternative history of 1857 where Rani of Jhansi didn't die but went into hiding in the Terai. This shouldn't be a stretch in a country where reasonable people open to evidence believed that Subhas Chandra Bose was recently alive.

    But the growing controversy over the film Padmavatihas taken revisionism to the next level: it's now at the stage where it is possible to see history as a form of augmented reality. The potential of this breakthrough is incalculable. The Shri Rajput Karni Sena which has campaigned against anti-Rajput calumny throughout recorded history (people say that it's nearly as old as Facebook but that might just be folklore), is a storied army that has defended the honour of Rajputs one film at a time. It tried to stop the screening of Jodhaa Akbar on the grounds that showing Akbar romancing a Rajput princess was a form of love jihad. Here the Karni Sena was an anti-Romeo squad with Akbar cast as Romeo. It also protested the Salman Khan film, Veer, by vandalizing theatres. This time round, its leaders threatened to cut off Deepika Padukone's nose and Sanjay Leela Bhansali's head.

    Predictably, media coverage has focused on the violence of this statement while missing its real significance. Its real significance is the Hindu Right's collective decision to transcend narrowly Hindu categories and put communalism on a stable, secular footing. The Padmavati controversy, properly understood, marks an ideological shift. For the first time, the historical narrative of Hindutva is being advanced without sectarianism.

    Consider the facts. Not only the Karni Sena but also three BJP chief ministers, Shivraj Chouhan, Yogi Adityanath and Vasundhara Raje, have asked that Padmavati be banned because it insults a fictional Rajput heroine dreamt up by a medieval Muslim poet. Padmavat is an epic written in Avadhi by Malik Muhammad Jaisi that dramatized the story of the siege of Chittor by by inventing a wife for Chittor's king called Padmini and making her the object of Alauddin Khilji's desires. Once Jaisi invented this story in the middle of 16th century, his fiction went viral. Persian historians and Rajput bards retold it as history.

    Now we have the inspiring spectacle of a Rajput monk who runs Uttar Pradesh, a Maratha queen who rules Rajputana and a Thakur chief minister in charge of India's central province, asking that a film be banned or bowdlerized because a medieval Muslim poet created a fictional Hindu heroine and turned a real Muslim ruler into a proper villain. What could be more secular than that?

    The willingness of these BJP chief ministers to overlook the Muslim provenance of the story plus their refusal to pull their punches merely because the director of the film and its stars are Hindus, is a good example of desi secularism in action. The media coordinator of the BJP in Haryana has offered a ten-crore-rupee bounty to anyone who decapitates both Padukone and Bhansali. It's important to attend to the consistency of this position and its principled blindness to religious affiliation. Instead of harping on the vigilantism that this bounty might encourage, we should acknowledge the intellectual sophistication that allows this BJP functionary to read Hindus like Bhansali, Padukone and Singh as floating signifiers of Muslim hegemony over the medieval past.

    It is also notable that the BJP's chief ministers grasp the postmodern insight that fictional origins don't disqualify a narrative from being true. There's nothing true or false but thinking makes it so. Even the Sikh chief minister of Congress-ruled Punjab has backed the queen, the yogi and the commissar in their demand that the film be banned. This secular, post-partisan, multi-faith coordination of prejudice makes the total rout of Muslims in medieval India an exciting possibility.

    India's cricket fans eventually found heaven in a television show called 'India Glorious' that ran a loop of Test footage in which India never lost. After a thousand years, born-again bharatvasis are poised to write a history of India where Hindus always win. In the standard Class X textbook derived from this new narrative, the chapter on medieval India might be called "Rajputs Rampant". The chapter heading for primary schoolchildren could be more colloquial: "Thakurs on Top", for example, or "Ranas Rule!". In either case, a millennium of mortification will be wiped away in a single stroke.

    Where does that leave Akbar, then?

    Akbar who?

    https://www.telegraphindia.com/opinion/rajputs-redux-188019
     
  2. Lion of Rajputana

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    Great, lectures on resistance and victory/defeat from someone whose ancestors probably never spent a day of their collective lives fighting invaders. That's a good one.

    It's real easy to be a critic when you're not the one who had to repeatedly stand in the way of wave after wave of invasions.
     
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    Khangress Spokesperson talking about history. He is worried of the shift of narrative from Secular Khangress to Hindutva.Nobody wants to read Marxist history.The real fear is Khangress, is worried all this might come back to bite them. Even their Punjab CM backed ban against the film.
    These Liberals are out to heckle Rajputs now that they are in no position to promote Sickularism after strings of defeats.Hindus know that after Rajputs rest of Hindus and Hindu religion are next.

    This is not going to happen, Film will be banned to teach a lesson to these Anti-Hindu Bollywood that recieves money from Dawood gang and ISI to make such films promoting Love Jihad .
    A 200 crore loss for making this film for Bhansali and to all future actors,Producers, should be good lesson not to make such films in future and lose their money.
     
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    While what you say is probably true , it doesn't take away from the facts of the matter the author is arguing for .

    While the Rajputs may not have stemmed the tide of invaders from the North West they certainly slowed it down apart from restricting their expansion for a considerable extent of time .

    Ironically , they started out by halting the expansion of Islam by the marauding Arab armies from their bases Sind and Southern Punjab ( Pakistani Punjab ) from crossing east of the Indus and spreading Islam across mainland India .

    The issue at hand is laughable .Rajput associations , more mobs actually , protesting against the portrayal of Padmini , whose existence owes itself to an epic poem composed by an Avadhi Muslim but which cannot be historically verified .Jayasi I'm his epic poem celebrated the chivalry of the Rajputs while starkly portraying the Turco Afghan Khilji as the arch villain .

    If ever the RSS required support in favour of their claims of the barbarian Muslim hordes ravaging India portrayed on celluloid , it couldn't get bigger and better than this .Yet , what happens ? The BJP collectively score a self goal .

    These objections largely stem from suspicions about a fictional romance between Khilji and Padmini . Now Bhansali is to costume dramas what Rushdie is to history . Apart from being over the top and gaudily framed ( some would say opulent ) , good cinematography , art direction , performances and music are the hall marks of a Bhansali film.

    I recall similar protests ( though on a much more subdued scale and in a far more dignified manner ) by members of the Chitpavan community - some claiming ancestry from the Peshwa , protesting against the portrayal of Peshwa Bajirao , his first wife Kashibai , the entire community and particularly his relationship with Mastani , in the earlier film Bajirao Mastani where vast liberties were taken with history as it has been recorded and received .

    What's actually disturbing is the amount of political support that this mob has received . If this is the sign of things to come , the message originally coined and patented by Bal Thackeray & his Shiv Sena is - take up a non issue , whip up emotions , rally your caste / ethic / linguistic / co religionist brethren make outrageous statements , threaten violence and blackmail and indulge in a lot of theatrics while the administration stands by and looks on as an impotent bystander or worse is complicit in the crimes of this mob .

    This seems to be happening with more regularity than can be tolerated or has been observed in the past .
     
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  5. Lion of Rajputana

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    We did the best we could, but every wall develops cracks given enough blows and given enough time. My only complaint with my ancestors, and those of fellow Rajput clans is their frequent disunity throughout history due to petty squabbles, although this was not a problem unique to Rajputs in ancient India.

    As for the protests over the movie, it's not a self goal, it's a strategy to win the support of Rajputs in Gujarat, Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh; and also to frame upcoming elections (especially Gujarat) in a religious way.

    Also, while I've never supported banning any art or books, and have been staunchly opposed to fringe groups engaging in "gundagardi" to threaten any work (books, art) that they take "offense" to, I'm not surprised at this. Rajputs as a community have little left but their history and their pride, you simply don't f*ck with that. And while nobody has seen the movie yet, the rumor was that there's a love scene between Khilji and Padmavati. The fact that it was likely a dream sequence, and the argument that Padmavati may or may not have even been real is frankly besides the point to me. We both know that if this wasn't Hindus/Rajputs, and was Muslims for example who are offended by something, the film never would have been made in the first place, and even if it were, the director/actors etc would promptly apologize and back down at the first sign of trouble. But because it's Hindus/Rajputs in this situation, Leftists feel uniquely empowered to take any bloody liberty they well please with absolute disregard for our concerns, sensitivities and sentiments. This has gone on for far too long and needs to be addressed firmly.

    And if this mob-gundaagardi style is the only language people on the left understand, then so be it.
     
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    Target this company Viacom 18
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viacom_18

    Mukesh Ambani Chairman
    Sudhanshu Vats CEO
    Viacom 18 Motion Pictures
    Ajit_Andhare, [COO]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viacom_18_Motion_Pictures


    Viacom18 defers release of 'Padmavati'

    http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...decision-taken-voluntarily/article9966646.ece

    Viacom 18 owns ETV Rajasthan and News18 Rajasthan.

    Strike where it hurts, business.
     
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    Without our tales of bravery, we Rajputs would be just a bunch of non-intelligent losers
    ANUJA CHAUHAN
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    Deepika Padukone in a still from the film Padmavati

    The amazing tales of Rajput valour are what makes their losses palatable, and questioning the authenticity of these legends shows them that their best days are behind them.

    There’s this scene in Toy Story, where Buzz Lightyear, the astronaut doll, is trying to prove to the other toys that he can fly. (Of course he can’t.) He takes a flying leap off a trampoline, goes up-up-up into the air and then, of course, falls, landing with a mighty thump, but manages to recover himself, strike a graceful pose and go Ta-da! The credulous toys are impressed.

    ‘He can fly!’ They murmur, awed.

    ‘That’s not flying!’ retorts the very fed-up cowboy doll Woody. ‘That’s falling with style!’

    This according to me, is the special talent of us Rajputs. Right through my childhood, I heard tales of the several P’s – Prithviraj Chauhan, Panna Dai, Rani Padmini, Maharana Pratap. All of the stories were stories of amazing final stands, romantic lost causes, huge courage in the face of unsurmountable odds and death before dishonor.

    All of them lost.

    But man, did they lose with style. Prithviraj Chauhan was defeated and blinded and bought before Muhammad Ghori, but he turned his bow upon his enemy, unerringly following the sound of the hated voice, and dropped Ghori with a single arrow. Panna saved her prince, but lost her son. Maharana Pratap lost at Haldighati, but never surrendered. Rani Padmini and the women of Chittorgarh commited Jauhar, death was preferable to them, over dishonor and slavery.

    Rajput pride is goose-bumpy stuff. It’s a heady mix of little Gaulish village against the might of Rome, 300 Spartans against the Persian Empire, all served up with lashings of the best Bollywood masala. Losing with style is romantic, cinematic and massively comforting to the survivors who have to live to hear the tale. It is no coincidence that Thakur Baldev Singh in Sholay is a Thakur. Who else could be that bloody but unbowed character, defeated, but still unbroken in spirit, a heap of bitter embers planning a raging fire of revenge be?

    According to me, every wage-slave worm who finally turns, who flashes the hated boss the middle finger and quits to become a stand-up comic or open a river-rafting camp is channeling his inner Rajput.

    Consequences be damned, is a very Rajput thought. So is never backing down. So is tilting at windmills. And of course, doing the straightforward thing. Our grandmothers taught us that Rajputs aren’t cunning and wily (like Muslims), or wordly-wise (like the Punjabis). So many Rajputs in the Indian Army and so few Chiefs of Staff – why? Mostly because we tend to tell our bosses to shove it, and hence don’t get promoted. Or we die in battle. Perhaps we aren’t even very smart (A headlong dash with no plan B, tends to be our usual war ‘strategy’). Perhaps we’re hotheaded and stupid. But that’s okay, even something to be proud of.

    But we’re brave. Being brave is non-negotiable.

    I remember this other Rajput story my grandmother told us as we huddled around her bed, about this random Rajput king who came back from war because he was too scared to fight. His wife, a docile woman with full ghunghat and downcast eyes, naturally could not criticise him, but that night, when the dinner was being prepared, she went into the kitchen and castigated the cook for banging the iron vessels together so loudly.

    ‘Don’t you know my husband is afraid of the sound of metal clashing against metal?’ she said in her gentle voice. Red faced and ashamed, he rose from the table, and rode right back into the battle. And died. And she commited sati. Such a happy (for Rajputs) ending!

    And then there’s the other, equally grisly one about this love-struck, honeymooning king who didn’t want to go to battle and leave his bride behind in her nuptial bed. She kept telling him to go, and not be distracted, and so finally he did – but then he stopped outside the gates and sent a messenger back to her, bidding her to send him a senani (a love token, to be worn in battle, to remind you of your loved one) Exasperated at this unheroic, maudlin malingering man, she chopped off her head and thrust it at the messenger to give it to the king as a bloody senani.

    Yeah.

    It gets better.

    Immediately sobered, and reminded of his real duty by this grisly gift, the king tied her head around his neck with her hair, and rode into battle. I can’t remember what happened after that. I think maybe he died. Heroically, of course.

    These are the stories we heard at our grandma’s knees.

    Which is why, our jodhpurs get into such a twist when people question the authenticity of our legends, like it is happening currently with the legend of Rani Padmini. See, what makes all the Rajput losses palatable, are the amazing tales of courage in the face of death that accompany them. Poke holes in those tales, belittle or question them, or dismiss them as fiction made up to console ourselves; and then we’re just… umm… pretty much a loser class, with our best days behind us, a heap of crumbling castles and some denting-painting mechanics businesses to run.

    Just a sad bunch of not-very intelligent folk, falling without style.

    So please don’t doubt our heroes are real, all you common people. They’re all we’ve got.

    Anuja Chauhan is the author of “Those Pricey Thakur Girls”, “Battle for Bittora”, and “The Zoya Factor”.


    https://theprint.in/2017/11/24/without-tales-bravery-rajputs-just-bunch-non-intelligent-losers/amp/


    I'd like to think the Rajputs have much more to offer than what they did .Unless you think otherwise . While I quite understand your sentiments , I'm not in complete agreement with them . I'd leave it at that .
     
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    So if I've grasped your point correctly, you're disappointed in us because you feel we didn't do enough? Fair enough, you're free to feel that way, but I really only blame my ancestors for 2 things; 1) being too "principled"/not evolving with some of the more cunning and less honorable methods of war which invading forces often used (I believe in honor, but only with the honorable) and of course 2) our inability to rise above factionalism and squabbles on several occasions.

    So sure, we should have done better, but hindsight is always 20/20. If you don't agree with me, fair enough, that's your view. And if I haven't gotten your point correctly, feel free to correct me.
     
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    The Author Anuja Chauhan is a Converted Christian, how does she claim to be a Rajput now? we heard about Da-lit Christians, never heard of Rajput Christians? Now she is claiming to represent Rajputs, Print.In should show some ethics and print a disclaimer, that she is a christian convert beforehand.
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    Not at all . You misunderstand. I'm one of those who believe the past is over and done with .You seem to be holding the line that what's past is prologue .

    You post previous to this one was a tad defeatist . The line where you maintained that save for pride there's nothing left to celebrate amongst the Rajputs . The author Anuja Chauhan seems to echo similar sentiments . Unless the collective opinion of the Rajputs is that their best days were in the past.
     
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    Good find .
     
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    These vermin are everywhere, writing articles. Same goes with D***t *intellectuals*. Some random foreign living communist will be writing articles.
     
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    Well.. You put the article up for reading. These people deserve to be ignored into oblivion.
     
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    Kancha Illiah is one such Da-lit intellectual,who is a christian convert,who writes in favor of Christianity eradicating or destroying Hinduism in India. He maintains he is still a Da-Lit even after converting to Christianity.
     
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