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REVEALED: The BAE-HAL Joint ‘Advanced Hawk’

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Marqueur, Feb 5, 2017.

  1. MilSpec

    MilSpec Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Hiring better project managers would be a reasonable start.

    MKI> upgrade Program needs to be initiated, commonality with PAKFA Radar is a must. Push for MBDA Meteor, Astra I/II on the platform.

    Jaguar> Darin II, Honeywell F129 engine needs to come faster. I would have loved to see Kaveri variant on the platform but the engine hasn't developed yet.

    Mig29UPG and Mig29K > Service center. HAL needs to position itself as a Mig29 service center. Mikoyan's service is horrible, with more than 120 Migs in the Indian Airforce and Navy, HAL can start to position itself as a Mi29 Service provider for all international operators.

    BAE Hawk> Sell more Hawks, Sell them to both Indian Navy and Indian Airforce, sell them to possible international customer that it can muster.

    IJT> Terminate IJT program, If you haven't been able to hack it in two decades, you won't fix it anytime soon. That AL21 engine btw is a POS engine.

    HTT 40> Find ad american and European Partner and sell HTT 40 to civlilian market as a dirt cheap Hi performance aerobatic Platform. Lobby IAF and IN to sell as many of HTT 40's as you can. Drop the prices and try your level best to flood the basic trainer market, Build pack stock for HTT 40 irrespective of book orders.
     
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    Gessler Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    If IJT is terminated, then where does the question of IAF ordering HJT-36 even arise?

    No modern air force in the world uses an 'Intermediate Jet trainer'. There are BTTs, AJTs and LIFT. A combined HTT40+PC7 fleet for BTT, Hawks for AJT and either the Advanced Hawk or a Tejas Mk.1 OCT version as LIFT will suffice.
     
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    GuardianRED Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    The MoD ie Parrikar himself has mentioned that they have stop funding for 36 + the entire training regiment for the IAF has changed , thus no need for the 36
     
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    sam2012 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Will Army aviation wing buy Advance hawk for CAS role??
     
  5. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Ok but there are reports of successful test flying of this plane. Actually, it is a very nice plane and unwillingness of designers to correct the issue stalled the project.
     
  6. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    A BAE twin Seater MK132 is more useless than a BAE Single Seater MK200 [Combat Hawk Searies already developed 2 decades back ].


    Here the only thing happened is , that HAL has wasted its internal fundings.
     
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    GuardianRED Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    A lot of us were following this program and yes sadden by it's failure. Still No amount of success now - the MoD nor the IAF want anything to do with this. Best for HAL to market this else where
     
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    GuardianRED Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    its a A joint BAE Systems-Hindustan Aeronautics effort - Technically it is called "Advance Hawk" not combat hawk (that term was used internal for HAL) . Its primary role is LIFT/ Advance Combat training with secondary combat role .

    Also the combat hawk last frame was way back in '93
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Advance hawk or whatever .

    Its " Combat Role " is useless. Its money down the drain.

    BAE has already developed single/twin seater Combat Capable HAWKs , and offered for sale for upto a decade now.
     
  10. GuardianRED

    GuardianRED Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    yes Combat Hawk (only Single Seater) - Last frame in 1993

    And NO it is NOT Useless!! especially in COIN and ISR

    If there is a Market for this

    [​IMG]

    UAE Taking Delivery of Archangel COIN Aircraft

    Iomax’s Archangel armed intelligence gathering aircraft is making its debut here at the Dubai Airshow in the markings of its primary customer, the UAE armed forces.

    The two-seat, dual-control Archangel, based on the Thrush 710P agricultural crop duster, is one of a number of counter insurgency and light strike aircraft being displayed here at the show.

    The Archangel is a development of the Air Tractor AT-802 Border Patrol Aircraft developed by Iomax of Mooresville, North Carolina, for the UAE, which entered service in 2011.

    The new model builds on the AT-802, embodying many new capabilities including enhanced survivability with podded underwing defensive aids and missile warning sensors built into the wings. With its large wing and powerful, 1,600 shp. Pratt & Whitney PT6A-67F turboprop, the Archangel is able to lift a full weapon load plus 670 U.S. gallons of fuel. Endurance is a respectable 10+ hours and maximum altitude (with oxygen) is 25,000 ft. “No other airborne platform even comes close” boasts Iomax.

    On the centerline pylon is the distinctive Iomax Flexible Pod with a Wescam MX-15D electro-optical camera pod as its primary sensor, while the back end contains a Rover datalink allowing full motion video to be passed to ground troops. The pod also contains a weapon datalink and a synthetic aperture radar.

    Wescam has disclosed it will deliver 28 of its camera systems for Archangel close air support aircraft for the United Arab Emirates.

    The Archangel is fitted with an Esterline CMC Electronics Cockpit 4000 glass-cockpit avionics suite, already in use on a number of jet trainers, with three 5x7 inch multifunction displays in the front cockpit and one in the rear cockpit, based around a mission computer that manages and integrates sensors and radios.

    Here in the UAE, the Archangel has been fitted out with typical weaponry including the Lockheed Martin Hellfire, a Mk-82 laser guided bomb, and Roketsan’s Cirit lightweight missile. Iomax’s website states that the aircraft has also been cleared to fire Roketsan’s UMTAS anti-tank missile, presumably as an alternative option to the U.S.-controlled Hellfire.

    UAE officials said the AT-802 Border Patrol Aircraft project has now come to an end. Several of the 20-plus AT-802s used in that initial phase have been handed to other countries including Jordan, and most recently to Yemen. Videos on the Internet have shown the unmarked AT-802s being used to train Yemeni pilots at Al-Anad air base north of Aden, presumably in a bid to re-equip and retrain Yemeni forces and to support the Arab coalition fighting the Houthi rebels there



    Then there too is a Market for the Advance Hawk!
     
  11. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    IMHO, it will be better for IAF to have a look at Hawk200s with this new wing and replace the Adour951 engine with Honeywell F125 engine. That will make an excellent platform for CAS with a weapon load as good as LCA but with better range. The rear cockpit will get replaced with a fuel tank. You never get the feeling of a fighter aircraft in a trainer aircraft. That feeling of flying in a fighter comes only when you fly a real fighter.
     
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  12. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    I believe once it is fully ready and meet all IAF requirements, IAF will accept it like HTT 40. You may be right but I believe that because between HTT 40 and hawk, there is no other plane for training. The gap is big and it is required to be filled. From a turbo prop of 1100 HP engine, you straight way jumps to a trans sonic aircraft. The gap is big and it is required to be filled.
     
  13. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Sir,

    Are you deck lander of Indian defense analysis?
     
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  14. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    This is a classical example of what we can do by working on a standard product to make it very special with Indian innovation and Jugad. What is important is to always think of how to make the product better and how to make value addition.
     
  15. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Yes, I was on that forum couple of years back.
     
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