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REVEALED: The BAE-HAL Joint ‘Advanced Hawk’

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Marqueur, Feb 5, 2017.

  1. GuardianRED

    GuardianRED Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Sorry Brah ,..... That gap is already fulfilled with a Revised IAF training Regiment ! ... gone are the days for an IJT .. also no one uses an IJT .

    I have an article on now the Israel Air Force training is done , will post this soon and no they don't have an IJT
     
  2. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Thanks.

    Can you please en light us how this reworking on wing will affect the performance of the plane. New powerful engine will not require redesign intake?
     
  3. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Ok It will be an interesting read.
     
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  4. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The new engine suggested is a replacement for these very engines on Jags as a drop fit case. The wing has not been reworked in the sense that wing area and profile remains same. They have added combat slats and flaps to the wing which will allow the wing to function more efficiently at higher alpha and improve its lift at those alpha. Better lift means lower stall speeds and that means better airfield and turn performance.
     
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  5. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    The first flight of the Alenia Aermacchi M-345 High Efficiency Trainer (HET) took place on 29 December, Leonardo-Finmeccanica announced.

    The milestone for the twin-seat single-engined jet trainer took place out of Venegono Superiore airfield in Varese, northern Italy, and lasted for approximately 30 minutes. Further flight trials will be conducted through 2017.

    First revealed in 2013, the M-345 HET is a development of the baseline M-345 jet trainer, which was a redesignation of the Aermacchi M-311 (itself an upgrading of the Aermacchi S-211 jet trainer). The aircraft has been designed to provide basic through to intermediate pilot training at reduced costs, and can be utilised in an operational capacity also.

    Company-released specifications give it a top speed of 420 kt at 20,000 ft; a stall speed of 88 kt; a rate-of-climb of 5,200 ft/min; a service ceiling of 40,000 ft; a sustained load factor of +4 g ; a fuel consumption (average) of 380 litre/hr; a maximum range of 760 n miles (clean) or 1,000 n miles (with external tanks); an endurance of 2.75 hours (clean) or 3.85 hours (external tanks); and a take-off run and landing roll of 520 m.

    Italy has committed itself to procuring the M-345 HET, and Leonardo-Finmeccanica has signed a memorandum of understanding with Chile. The company has offered the M-345 to France also.

    http://www.janes.com/article/66639/advanced-m-345-jet-trainer-makes-maiden-flight
     
  6. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    100% this Advanced Hawk will never be ordered by the IAF for a COMBAT role, this article says as much.

    What the IAF may do is convert a certai portion (if not all) of their MK.132 Hawk AJT fleet to this standard so as to reduce their operational costs; taking away 30% of the training missions that are right now being performed at SQN level (on high end fighters) would be a HUGE saving in the long term (consider the MKI costs around $20,000 per flight hour) as well as keeping thr fighter fleet relatively "fresh".


    What is most interesting is the fact that this vairant has been designed specifically to be able to simulate F-35 missions systems which, AFAIK, no other trainer a/c in the world has this ability to do. With there being a sizeable number of F-35 operators outside of the US I would say this advanced Hawk has a decent chance of being exported to third parties and with no active Hawk production line now existing outside of India HAL could ensure their line is open for a good few years to come. Not only that but with thsi being a 50-50 partnership with BAE, HAL could be genrating a pretty decent revenue stream into the future.
     
  7. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    What I have been saying for years! The IJT is now an outdated requirement, the ONLY reason the IAF were interested previously was because the Hawk deal was dragging on and didn't look like it would ever be signed (it was eventually after 22 effing years) and the Deepak was close to being grounded, the IAF figured the IJT could cover both of these areas as an interim solution but a few years down the line these issues have been corrected and the IJT now finds itself irrelevent.

    + the only thing I would correct from above would be to say the LCA should be used in the LIFT role, a subsonic AJT will never be sufficent for this role.
    Never. The IA will not aquire fixed wing a/c.

    As I have said above bro, this a/c could actually be a great money saver for the IAF and if they push the F-35 angle could be a real export success in the international market.

    Agreed though that this a/c will serve no combat role.
     
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  8. GuardianRED

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    @HariPrasad

    NOTE : This article was published in 2012, as mentioned in the article - the AJT/LIFT was initially done on A4s , but this frame is slowly being phased out for newer M346s + this training is ONLY for FAST Jets

    IsAF Training Pg1.jpg
    IsAF Training Pg2.jpg

    Im trying to locate the article for the Turkish Air Force Training , will post that too (sorry the bad scan)
     
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    MilSpec Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    I said Htt40 BTT, not HJT 36 Sitara, Cancel the damn thing. Win some lose some.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Too late now, the PC-7 make in India deal has been axed in favour of the HTT-40, the IAF has no choice but to wait for the HTT-40 now, they still have an outstanding requirement for 125++ BTTs and the IN need another 30-40 for themselves on top of this.
     
  11. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    TO improve performance by the way of wing redesign has impressed me. This shows the stuff that HAL has developed over a period of time. I like this sort of innovations. It helps in improving the performance without applying additional resources.
     
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    dadeechi Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Gnat and Sepecat Jaguar was developed as Jet trainer and latter developed as fighter plane.

    I like Combat Hawk concept, and 3000 kg load is impressive. With new precission weapons now available e.g spice 250, why it cannot be used for tactical CAS and ground attack.
     

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