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Reverse Brain Drain to Developing Economies

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    Gen-next of immigrants in US return home ; India, China to gain from reverse brain drain

    Samir Kapadia seemed to be on the rise in Washington, moving from an internship on Capitol Hill to jobs at a major foundation and a consulting firm. Yet his days, he felt, had become routine.

    Meanwhile, friends and relatives in India, his native country, all in their early- to mid-20s, were telling him about their lives in the newly surging nation. One was creating an e-commerce business, another a public relations company, still others a magazine, a business incubator and a gossip and events website.

    "I'd sit there on Facebook and on the phone and hear about them starting all these companies and doing all these dynamic things," recalled Kapadia, 25, who was born in India but grew up in the United States. "And I started feeling that my 9-to-5 wasn't good enough anymore."

    Last year, he quit his job and moved to Mumbai.

    In growing numbers, highly educated children of immigrants to the US are uprooting themselves and moving to their ancestral countries, experts say. They are embracing homelands that their parents once spurned but that are now economic powers
    . :coffee:

    Some, like Kapadia, had arrived in the US as young children, becoming citizens, while others were born in the US to immigrant parents.

    Enterprising Americans have always sought opportunities abroad. But this new wave underscores the evolving nature of global migration, which is presenting challenges to US supremacy and competitiveness.

    In interviews, many of these Americans said they did not know how long they would live abroad; some said it was possible they would remain expatriates for many years, if not for the rest of their lives. Their decisions to leave have, in many cases, troubled their immigrant parents. Yet most said they had been pushed by the dismal hiring climate in the US or pulled by prospects abroad.

    "Markets are opening, people are coming up with ideas every day, there's so much opportunity to mold and create," said Kapadia, now a researcher at Gateway House, a new foreign-policy research organisation in Mumbai. "People here are running much faster than those in Washington."

    For generations, the world's less-developed countries have suffered brain drain - the flight of many of their best and brightest to the West. That, of course, has not stopped. But now, a reverse flow has begun, particularly to countries like China and India and, to a lesser extent, Brazil and Russia. Some scholars and business leaders contend that this emigration does not necessarily bode ill for the US.

    They say young entrepreneurs and highly educated professionals sow American knowledge and skills abroad. At the same time, these workers acquire experience abroad and build networks that they can carry back to the US or elsewhere - a pattern known as "brain circulation."

    But the experts caution that in the global race for talent, the return of these expatriates to the US and US companies is no longer a sure bet.

    "These are the fleet-footed, they're the ones who in a sense will follow opportunity," said Demetrios G Papademetriou, president of the Migration Policy Institute, a non-profit group in Washington that studies population movements.

    "I know there will be people who will argue all about loyalty, etc, etc," Papademetriou said. "I know when you go to war, loyalty matters. But this is a different kind of war that affects all of us."

    The US government does not collect data on the emigration of US-born children of immigrants, or on those who were born abroad but moved to the country as young children. But several migration experts said the phenomenon was significant and increasing.

    "We've gone way beyond anecdotal evidence," said Edward JW Park, director of the Asian Pacific American Studies Program at Loyola Marymount University in Los Angeles. He pointed out that this migration was spurred by the efforts of some overseas governments to attract more foreign talent by offering employment, investment, tax and visa incentives.

    "So it's not just the individuals who are making these decisions," he said. "It's governments who enact strategic policies to facilitate this."

    Officials in India said they had seen a sharp increase in the arrival of people of Indian descent in recent years, including at least 100,000 in 2010 alone, said Alwyn Didar Singh, a former senior official at the Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs. Many of these Americans have been able to leverage family networks, language skills and cultural knowledge gleaned from growing up in immigrant households.

    Jonathan Assayag, 29, a Brazilian-American born in Rio de Janeiro and raised in South Florida, returned to Brazil last year. A Harvard Business School graduate, he had been working at an Internet company in Silicon Valley and unsuccessfully trying to develop a business.

    "I spent five months spending my weekends at Starbucks, trying to figure out a startup in America," he recalled.

    All the while, friends from Harvard urged him to make a change. "They were saying: 'Jon, what are you doing? Go to Brazil and start a business there!"' he said.

    Last year, he relocated to Sao Paulo and became an "entrepreneur in residence" at a leading Brazilian venture capital firm. He is now starting an online eyewear business.

    "I speak the language, I get the culture, I understand how people do business," he said.

    Calvin Chin was a Chinese-American entrepreneur born in Michigan and used to live in San Francisco, where he worked at technology startups and his wife was an interior decorator.

    Chin's mother was from China, as were his paternal grandparents. His wife's parents were from Taiwan. They are now in Shanghai, where Chin has started two companies - an online loan service for students and an incubator for technology startups. His wife, Angie Wu, has worked as a columnist and television anchor, and they have two young children.

    "The energy here is phenomenal," Chin said.

    Reetu Jain, 36, an Indian-American raised in Texas, was inspired to move to India while taking time off from her auditing job to travel abroad. Everywhere she went, she said, she met people returning to their countries of origin and feeling the "creative energy" in the developing world.

    She and her husband, Nehal Sanghavi, an Indian-American lawyer, moved to Mumbai in January 2011. But instead of continuing in accounting, she switched professions. Embracing a long-held passion, she now works as a dance instructor and choreographer and has acted in television advertisements and a Bollywood film.

    For many of these emigres, the decision to relocate has confounded - and even angered - their immigrant parents. When Jason Lee, who was born in Taiwan and raised in the US, told his parents during college that he wanted to visit Hong Kong, his father refused to pay for the plane ticket.

    Gen-next of immigrants in US return home ; India, China to gain from reverse brain drain - The Economic Times
     
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    NRIs moving from the US to India: How much salary to expect

    That story probably made news only because of its star power. The fact that NRIs from the US are moving back to India is no shocking development. NRIs have, in the last few years, been relocating to India in large numbers, in search of better personal and professional lives. And if you are an NRI considering that move, there is one important thing that you must understand very well: the salary you will get in India.

    Kris Lakshmikanth, Founder CEO of The Head Hunters India Pvt Ltd. says, "When it comes to compensation, we find that NRIs have inflated expectations. They mainly go by hearsay; their friend or friend's friend who returned to India has told them a tall story about Indian salaries. They want to go by that yard stick."

    USD will not convert to INR

    The first thing to remember is that you will not make the rupee equivalent of your US salary in India. The cost of living in India is significantly lower than that in the US. This also means a lower labour cost in India. These factors will determine your India salary. Seema Nair, Co-Leader India HR Operations of Cisco India explains, "The salary in India (for Cisco employees moving from US to India) is related to local labour market wage rates with a potential premium for critical skill sets."

    Achyut Menon, head of Options Executive Search Pvt Ltd also adds, "In the nineties, people who were posted to India got expat salaries. But those days are over. In the last 10 years, India has become an attractive market for global companies who are not just looking to set up offshore centers here, but also to capitalize on the growing, educated and highly aspirational middle class consumer segment. Added to that is the availability of skilled labour within India itself. Companies no longer need to pay expat salaries."

    Benchmark: What then should be the broad benchmark?

    Both Lakshmikanth and Menon say that while there cannot be a standard formula, the Big Mac Index is a good guideline to calculate salaries. The Big Mac index published by The Economist, is based on the theory of purchasing-power parity (PPP), according to which exchange rates should adjust to equalise the price of a basket of goods and services around the world. The basket in this case being a McDonald's Big Mac.

    Now according to the last available index dated July 2011, a Big Mac costing USD 4.07 in the US costs USD 1.89 in dollar terms in India (Rs 85 converted at an exchange rate of Rs 45). It means that the Big Mac costs 54% less in India; the cost of living is 54% lower in India. Read another way, this means that the rupee is undervalued by 54% to the dollar and that on the basis of PPP, one dollar would actually be worth Rs 21 instead of Rs 45.

    So if you are drawing a salary of USD 100,000 in the US, you can expect to draw Rs 21 lakh in India, give or take. At an exchange rate of Rs 45, that would translate to an Indian salary of USD 46,666 or 46% of the US salary. :coffee:

    "Senior management can expect anywhere between 40% and 70% of their last drawn US salary when they move to India," Menon explains, adding, "At the 70% end would be people who have moved to India to set up a development/ engineering center or to head the global company's India start-up."


    Best career move

    Having set that broad benchmark, the salary would also vary between industries and functions. You would need to choose your profile and company carefully to maximise your salary.

    "Manufacturing would pay less than technology. Within technology, we find that delivery of software is something which Indian companies have become masters in. They don't need to employ people from overseas. In fact, such people from the US are paid less than the person who stayed back in India because those returning from the US have handled fewer people teams as compared to peers in India," Lakshmikanth points out. :cheers:

    Similarly, domestic Indian companies do not usually recruit NRIs for strategic positions if the NRIs are not familiar with the dynamics of the Indian market and work place.

    As an NRI moving back to India, Menon says it would be best to join a company in the US which has plans to start-up/ expand in India. "A lot of US companies across sectors like engineering, legal, analytics, financial services, pharmaceuticals are setting up operations in India. :cheers:

    These companies are happy to send an Indian to India who also has experience of their other markets.
    The employee benefits because he can grow with the company's operations in India. In the beginning, the company will set up a 30-40 staff office and expand going forward. As a member of the start-up, the employee grows as the company grows, making it a win-win for both" he explains.

    Parting shot

    "At the end of the day, come back to India for the same reasons you went abroad: for personal and professional growth and happiness. Come with a long term view in mind and you won't regret it," Menon advices.

    (The author is a chartered accountant and financial writer. She also blogs at blogs.economictimes)

    NRIs moving from the US to India: How much salary to expect - Economic Times
     
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    Bangalore hires more NRIs than other cities: Study

    BANGALORE: Among Indian cities, Bangalore hires the highest proportion of NRI professionals.

    In the January-March 2012 quarter, NRI professionals were 29% of the total number of lateral hires (people with more than three years of experience ) in Bangalore. In Delhi /NCR, this was 27%, in Mumbai 26%, in Hyderabad 18% and in Chennai and Kolkata 16% each, says a study by MyHiringClub, a global recruitment tendering platform. "Overall hiring activity was not good in the final quarter of the last financial year, but the quantum of NRI hiring has gone up. IT, pharma and healthcare companies prefer to hire candidates with international exposure,'' says Rajesh Kumar, CEO of MyHiringClub. Many of these are companies that are expanding globally and therefore need to understand global practices and market specificities , which NRIs do.

    The study finds that NRI professionals accounted for 21% of total lateral hiring in India during the quarter, a 5 percentage point increase over the previous quarter's 16%. The IT &ITES sector has seen the maximum number of NRI hiring at 23%. Pharma and healthcare accounted for 21%, FMCG 18% and infrastructure 11%. Bangalore has long been the preferred choice for NRIs. Third party hirers say 7 out of 10 candidates who want to relocate to India ask for vacancies in Bangalore. "If candidates do not have specific compulsions, based on factors like ageing parents, spouse located elsewhere, bought a home in a different city, children' s school admissions etc, most of them prefer Bangalore,'' says B S Murthy, CEO of executive search firm LeadershipCapital .

    Ajay Dutt, business head at Aim Plus Staffing, says Bangalore is the top priority destination for a majority of returning professionals. "The job opportunities are the highest here. Also, 60% of NRIs who are looking to return are techies and being in Bangalore gives them an edge,'' he says. Kris Lakshmikanth, CEO of HeadHunters, say that in most cases, the NRI preference is for city close to their hometown and for Bangalore.

    "Bangalore often becomes the only choice for candidates who have their origins in Kolkata, Bhubaneshwar, Lucknow etc. It's got great weather, it's neutral, relatively more safe to live and work and it's cosmopolitan,'' he says. India Inc is expected to hire around 35,000 "home-coming'' Indians during fiscal 2013. Some 946 employers from 11 industry segments across six cities participated in the MyHiring Club study.

    Bangalore hires more NRIs than other cities: Study - The Times of India
     
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    Global crisis forces reverse migration by up to 30 pc: Experts

    MUMBAI: With concerns over the global economic situation and reports on growing unemployment, there is a rise in reverse brain drain by up to 30 per cent, according to experts.

    "The reverse drain has been seen across the industries and various geographies across the globe, including the US, Canada, Australia and Europe. The number of people wanting to come back to India has gone up by 25-30 per cent as compared to pre-economic crisis," International Management Institute (IMI) Professor Satish K Kalra told PTI.

    The main reason that Indians working overseas are planning to relocate is because India Inc have started paying better and working in the country continues to offer global exposure and they feel their skills have higher value on return and better career prospects, he said.

    The country's sustained growth even during uncertain times coupled with world class higher education system, like IITs and IIMs, and higher sense of belonging that makes them emotionally bound to their careers and society add further to this decision, he said.

    "It could bring in acceleration of learning in some of the niche fields like biotech, automobile, construction, oil and gas," Kalra added. :cheers:

    The returning Indians would have got exposed to better technologies in these fields and it would be easier for India Inc to embrace this and the local workforce would gain from this new experience, he said.

    "We could also see a more disciplined workforce as returning Indians would cultivate a respect around time boundaries and ability to work without follow ups," he said.

    He added that many large global consulting firms have also opened their research centres in India and most of them have dedicated industry practices such as oil and gas, alternate energy and construction, etc.

    "The availability of professionals having spent time in these domains is a beneficial situation for KPOs and one of the reasons for their increasing numbers," he said.

    Indian KPOs account for almost 70 per cent of global volumes, and the global KPO market is expected to grow to USD 17 billion by 2013-14, according to industry experts.

    VistaMind CEO Arks Srinivas said Indian market due to its global as well as domestic factors has created a need for skilled and experienced labour and hence the generation of more and more jobs.

    "The Indian market is customer centric and with an increase in the purchase power of the consumer, employment generation is at an all time high," he said.

    There are sectors in the Indian economy, which are still growing or at least not seeing a downturn, education and health are two such sectors that will remain productive for more time to come, he said.

    "While the financial industry is in doldrums, the ability to get jobs in marketing and sales of any sector will still be possible and re-skilling would be the way to go," Srinivas said.

    ApnaCircle.com Founder and CEO Yogesh Bansal said it is very typical of every Indian to want to work in the West, however, lately these countries have been struggling to provide employment to their own people. :coffee:

    "As mentioned the suffering sectors are mostly IT, banking and marketing professionals," he added.

    However, countries like Africa land Southeast Asia, which are expanding their businesses and starting new industries, are increasingly open to hiring globally skilled talent for mid-level to senior jobs, Srinivas said.

    Professionals from India are uniquely suited for these jobs because they have the experience of working in an emerging market, he added.

    Global crisis forces reverse migration by up to 30 pc: Experts - The Economic Times
     
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    India beckons non-resident citizens home with plum salaries
    January 03, 2013


    Country is expected to create nearly 50,000 jobs for NRIs :tup:

    The overseas Indian community (non-resident Indians, NRIs) is estimated at over 25 million and is spread across every major region in the world. Many of these, now overseas residents, went abroad to study and many never came back.

    The reason – there were better jobs and plum salaries to strive for in foreign countries.

    This is a problem that India has faced over the decades but now it’s trying to move away from being a country that specializes in importing labour. To get its people back home, the country is creating jobs for its overseas citizens. The latest figures from job portal Naukri.com shows that nearly 50,000 jobs will be made available this year to lure some of these defectors, particularly the high-quality academics and professionals, back to their home country.

    The figure seems a drop in the ocean considering the huge number of Indians living aboard but signals a change, welcoming the returnees. :tup:

    Each year, the number of jobs specifically targeted at NRIs, have gone up. The organised sector in India is set to create about 49,215 new jobs for non-resident Indian professionals in the calendar year 2013 with 43 per cent more jobs compared to 2012.:tup: Last year, the country was able to create around 27,983 jobs, reveals the latest results of MyHiringClub.com & NriJobPortal.com NRI Professional Employment Trend Survey 2013.

    The survey is based on 4453 companies across 12 industry sectors in 11 major cities and indicates that most employers are optimistic about their hiring plans for NRI professionals in the New Year. :tup:

    “An increasing number of valued NRI professional recruitment will likely take place in 2013. This is a good sign for retaining talent in India. I believe job opportunities are most in Bangalore and most of the NRIs who are seeking to come back are tech professionals,” said Rajesh Kumar, CEO, MyHiringClub.com & NriJobPortal.com.

    IT & ITeS (11450) will offer the maximum number of jobs to NRIs. This is followed by FMCG (8930), automobile & manufacturing (7341), infrastructure (4894), pharma & healthcare (3245), telecom (1391) and banking & financial services (1391).

    Bangalore is the city where most jobs will be created (11894), followed by Delhi & NCR (10320), Mumbai (6780), Chennai (5490), Kolkata (3290) and Hyderabad (2189).

    Even though the country seems to be luring the professionals back home, workers under the unskilled and semi-skilled category are still flocking to other countries for better pay.

    "We have not seen any huge upsurge in the numbers returning to India so far. Every year, there are one to two lakh (100,000 to 200,000) workers who return to India, usually at the end of their work contracts," Minister of Overseas Indian Affairs Vayalar Ravi was quoted in the Indian media nearly one year back.

    The ministry tracks the movement of semi-skilled and unskilled Indian workers to the Gulf and other countries.

    As per the reports, the Indian government processes six to eight lakh emigration check required (ECR) passports of workers who travel to the Gulf countries and some other countries.

    This number seems to have gone up, as per the data of the ministry. For the current financial year in India, the number is about 6.1 lakh (600,100), which shows an increase in the number of Indian workers leaving the country for work abroad.

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    Can't buy a home in Mumbai? Blame the NRIs
    June 17, 2012

    Mumbai: If you're wondering why the property rates in Mumbai aren't going down, blame it on Non Residential Indians (NRIs). With the rupee falling against the dollar every day, Indians living abroad have increased their investment in the country and especially in Mumbai, meaning that the expected fall in property rates following the recent dry period in the real estate market has not materialised.

    According to a real estate source, the real estate prices in Mumbai for a person staying in the Middle East are 25-30 per cent less than what an Indian would pay. Prakash Rohera of Khar-based Kkarma realtors said, "I know about clients from the Middle East and other western countries who were earlier ready to shell out Rs. 1 crore but have now hiked it to Rs. 1.30 crore. Some don't even mind going as high as up to Rs. 1.60 crore. NRIs are investing heavily in Mumbai." :coffee:

    "Just a few months ago, builders were chasing clients to buy property, and everyone was expecting the property prices to come down, but the uncontrollable inflation means that most builders are now getting calls from NRIs who want to invest. Why will builders reduce the prices when they are making their share of money anyway?" explained a broker, on condition of anonymity.

    Meanwhile, a property exhibition that's being organised in Dubai later this week is already flooded with calls from Indian builders as well as NRIs. A spokesperson for the exhibition said, "The number of builders from Mumbai participating in the exhibition is 15 per cent higher than in earlier years. For NRIs, this is like a sale. The property price has fallen by nearly 25 per cent due to the devaluation of the rupee. We're expecting good business this time."

    Manohar Shroff, secretary, Maharashtra Chamber of Housing Industry, Navi Mumbai, also claims the falling rupee is helping to boost the sale of properties in Mumbai. "The increased investment by NRIs has increased sales," he said.

    Realty expert Ajay Chaturvedi opines, "There's a slowdown in many western countries, but their currency is still stronger than ours. The falling rupee is making it easy for NRIs to invest here. They all plan to return to India someday, so why not invest in Indian properties," he said.

    Can't buy a home in Mumbai? Blame the NRIs | NDTV.com
     
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    Court Sentences Spy Who Sold Stealth Bomber Secrets to China
    Jason Mick (Blog) - January 26, 2011

    Mr. Gowadia helped designed the stealth and propulsion systems of the B-2 bomber :tup:, while at Northrop Grumman. But in 1999 he found a consulting firm and began selling his secrets to foreign nations, including China.:coffee:

    [​IMG]

    The Cold War may be over, but the art of spying is far from dead. If the recent case of Anna Chapman -- a Russian vixen turned super-spy -- wasn't reminder enough, we have the case of Noshir Gowadia, a convicted Hawaiian-based spy who sold U.S. Air Force secrets to China.

    I. From Top Engineer to "Dangerous Spy":rofl:

    This man, now 66 years old, was born in India but immigrated to the U.S., starting a new life as a professional engineer. At his new work he gained access to some our nation's most valuable secrets. The man in fact designed those secrets :cheers:, while working with top military contractor Northrop Grumman.

    Mr. Gowadia, billed himself as "father of the technology that protects the B-2 stealth bomber from heat-seeking missiles" . He was among the principle design engineers working on the B-2's propulsion system during his career with Northrop that lasted from 1968 to 1986.:india:

    In the late 1990s, he struck out on his own, founding a consulting firm in 1999 dubbed "Gowadia, Inc."

    Over the next five years he reportedly proceeded to try to sell foreign operatives our nation's stealth secrets, some of which he concocted. He sent information to operatives from Germany, Israel, and Switzerland.

    And his biggest transaction was his transmission of a wealth of data to the People's Republic of China. That transaction allowed China to jump-start its stealth aerospace efforts and design a stealth missile.It also netted Mr. Gowadia $110,000 USD, which he used pay off his mortgage on a luxury home on the island of Maui. :coffee:

    But that gain would result in a far greater loss, the loss of his freedom.

    II. The Arrest

    In 2005, Mr. Gowdia was arrested after the CIA and FBI analyzed his communications. Federal authorities raided Mr. Gowdia's penthouse only to discover documents showing his communication of state secrets to eight separate nations. Mr Gowdia admitted to sending the classified information, but said he only did so to "to establish the technological credibility with the potential customers for future business."

    The U.S. government clearly didn't buy that excuse. They charged Mr. Gowdia with 18 counts, including espionage charges, charges about the transmission of classified documents to a foreign state, charges stemming from his role in designing Chinese stealth missiles, and money laundering charges.

    The trial dragged on through 2007 as Mr. Gowdia's defense team insisted they needed access to classified materials in order to give a proper defense. Once they obtained those materials after a thorough security screening, the trial was further delayed, as the defense claimed Mr. Gowdia was suffering from narcissistic personality disorder. The defense brought in Richard Rogers, a forensic psychology professor at the University of North Texas, and Dr. Pablo Stewart, a psychiatry professor at the University of California, San Francisco to testify about Mr. Gowdia's supposed condition.

    On November 20, 2009, a federal magistrate ruled that the experts' testimony was not credible. U.S. Magistrate Kevin S.C. Chang wrote that just because the defendant couldn't communicate well with his defense team didn't mean he was incompetent and unable to stand trial, as the defense claimed.

    III. The Sentence

    After a three-month jury trial, Mr. Gowdia was finally found guilty of 14 out of 17 charges, with a verdict arriving August 9, 2010. Sentencing was delayed until this week. While Mr. Gowdia faced up to a life sentence in prison, he was sentenced to a slightly lesser sentence of 32 years in federal prison.

    Assistant US Attorney Ken Sorenson who prosecuted the case told the Associated Press that he was "a little disappointed" with the sentence. "But 32 years is stiff and in many ways an appropriate sentence for him. We're confident the message is sent that when you compromise US national security, when you disclose national defense secrets, when you profit by US national defense information, that you will be punished, you will be pursued, you will be convicted," Sorenson continued.

    If he lives long enough, he may eventually see parole, but Mr. Gowdia likely will spend most of the remainder of his life behind bars.

    His family claims that he is innocent and is fighting to appeal the decision. States his son, Ashton, to the Associated Press, "My father would never, ever do anything to intentionally to hurt this country. We hope the convictions will be overturned and he'll be able to go home."

    In a similar case, an elderly Chinese spy working at Boeing was recently sentenced to 15 years behind bars.:rofl:

    DailyTech - Court Sentences Spy Who Sold Stealth Bomber Secrets to China
     
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    look, US/West is on free fall and cultural background of India does give a strength to its people, being in discipline, study hard, high 'cut off' we find in the competitive exams of India, whether engineering, medicines, IAS/ civil services, banking etc. do you see people of US/UK/Australia doing preparation for entrance exams like Indians? whoever wants to study, may get admission there, but not doing so.......

    i talk you later, but first have a read on the articles of this thread, mainly those on the first page. and you may start from my statement on the as below :tup:

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    I opened this thread after your above post. the news like as above does look embarrassing, but how do you see this Reverse Brain Drain to China, as they may now offer better money to these Indian professionals than US's firms, as in the above article? :coffee:


    @Averageamerican

    AA, I remember, B-2 is the first Stealth Aircraft of US? :coffee:


    => and with my own experience, there is no future of US’s/ Western industries, who often need bail-out packages on time to time to survive. Even if you work on 150k+ job in US/ Australia, you know your company won’t grow like how an Indian or Chinese company may grow in future. Even if you may get 20lacs per annum in India on the basis of the overseas degree and work experience you gained in US/West, you would back to India as the job you will get with those Indian companies who will grow in future, providing better career opportunities this way. as discussed in the articles of this thread too :agree:

    We have experience that no matter how much you say about superior quality of an equipment made in Australia/ West, more efficient/ less maintenance required etc, but just 15% price difference in enough to lose business to a Chinese supplier. most of the Western firms are on end, there is just no future of Western companies. even car companies like Ford has been moved out from Melbourne in front of mine during last 6-7 years, following other manufacturing companies......... while the Indian companies have their own internal demand. Like, in Australia of 20million population, almost every one has TV/ fridge/ mobile/ car etc we import from China. but in India, which is making its own additional 20mil middle class every year who are demanding more. Being in a ‘saturated’ economy, in the current developed countries, is justified only to the extend you may get quality foreign experience, along with your overseas degrees, which may help you get a good job in India and then you would simply back to India :wave:

    Losing highly qualified professionals to India/ China/Emerging Economies, and this trend of ‘reverse brain drain’ along with losing export business of high tech products to China with a constant pace too, will help US/ EU get their industrial jobs back from China, hopefully by 2020/25+. which will occur only in the case when the labor cost of China may become expansive than that of US/ EU. And I have already predicted, from Asia, the industrial jobs will first go back to US/West then to Africa. Write down somewhere.:pop:
     
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    it used to be a time when a Western firm could pay you the same salary, if you accept to move to India, just till 2006-07 we had this environment. while even if you have foreign qualifications/experience etc, things aren't that easy to back to India and get a job now.....

    people now commonly know that moving to emerging economies like India is a better career move now, where the industries would only grow, as compare to bail-out seeking western firms who have just no increase in orders, just standing somehow. if we have a look on the curve as below, Mexican Born Population was rising with a very fast pace in US till 2008 recession, and then it faced first fall since 1930-40, WW2, if we have a close look on this curve as below. and its following the reverse trend of other immigrants itself. like how we know Polish dying hard to go to Western Europe till 2008, while there is a consistent trend of their reverse migration to Poland now :coffee:

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    Recession moves migration patterns

    Many economic migrants from central and eastern Europe who came to work in the UK are returning home because of the recession, a report suggests.

    The global Migration Policy Institute (MPI) study, commissioned by the BBC, says EU expansion led to 1.4m east Europeans moving to the UK up to 2008.

    But the recession in Britain and modest economic growth in Poland have led to a change in this pattern, it found.

    The MPI report suggests about half of those migrants have now left. :coffee:

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    It also says that migration from Poland in particular is now temporary and circular in nature, with people constantly coming and going.

    The weak local currencies had previously made the UK an attractive destination.

    However, if the UK's economy picks up, the flow of migrants could change again, the report says.

    Recent figures from the the Office for National Statistics suggested that 118,000 more people arrived in the UK than left in 2008 - the lowest level since EU enlargement.

    Global decline

    Sir Andrew Green of Migrationwatch said migrants from the A8 countries were "only a small part of the picture which, at least for the time being, is getting smaller". The A8 countries are the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia, who all joined the EU in 2004.

    Sir Andrew said: "Only one in seven foreign born workers in the UK is from the A8, according to the Labour Market Statistics from August 2009."

    Furthermore, in the calendar year 2007, the last available, only one in four net migrants was from the A8.

    "The more recent International Passenger Survey for quarter four in 2008 had only one in 14 net arrivals from the A8."

    The report also says there were about 618,000 unauthorized migrants estimated to be in the UK in 2007.

    And between 1995 and 2008, the number of non-UK nationals living in the country more than doubled, from 1,948,000 to 4,196,000, along with the number of foreign workers up from 862,000 to 2,283,000.

    The report also says Europeans account for half of the UK foreign workforce, and that the numbers of A8 Europeans in the labour force have grown rapidly, reaching just under half a million, or 21.8%, of all foreign workers in 2008.

    There were 358,000 Polish workers in 2008, up from 151,000 two years earlier. Polish workers accounted for 15.7% of all UK foreign workers in 2008. :coffee:

    Worldwide, the MPI study says there has been a dramatic global decline in the number of people going to work abroad since the start of the global downturn.

    There was a large decline in the number of Mexicans moving to the United States, for example.

    It also suggested that the level of remittances - money sent by migrants to family members back home - has declined.

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    Net A8 migration down 88 per cent
    NOVEMBER 26, 2009

    Net migration to the UK from the eight European Union accession countries fell to just 9,000 last year – down from a peak of 78,000 in 2007. The figures, released today, show that overall net migration was down 70,000 to 163,000 – the lowest figure since A8 Accession.

    Migrants from Estonia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia accounted for just five per cent of net migration last year, dealing a blow to the likes of UKIP and MigrationWatch who obsess over the numbers of east Europeans coming to Britain.

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    just to discuss the topic, i remember our usual talks in Sydney during 2009-11, when there were a numbers of attacks on the Indian International Students, also on the Indian immigrants living in Britain during that period, check the news and confirm. we used to have a question, "why so many attacks, our family keep calling us, but there were none before?" before 2008 recession, India-China, South America were just shiits, generally put among the 3rd world countries till then. but since then we had got a term, "Identity Crisis", the very first time. otherwise till 2008 recession, we were having an identity of a 3rd world country so no conflicts at all........ make sense? :what:

    and then we had got an idea, while referring this trend of reverse migration, "after having best qualifications from their best universities, along with enough experience from US's firms too, if you back home then simply its not easy." :wave:

    there were no attacks on the Indian Immigrants before that but now (since 2009+) its because now being an Indian, Chinese origin etc is an Identity, you may proud on, which may result in a conflict. which is following Identity of other emerging economies too :coffee:

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    For the first time more Eastern European migrants, from countries like Poland, Latvia and the Czech Republic, are leaving the UK than arriving, according to Home Office figures published this week.

    The trend marks a reversal in movement for the first time since large-scale immigration in Europe began in 2004 when the A8, or accession eight, countries joined the EU.

    The then Immigration Minister famously estimated number of Eastern Europeans who would come to the UK was just 13,000. Since 2004 around 1,000,000 people have migrated from the former eastern bloc nations, the biggest movement in peacetime history.

    But last year 45,000 A8 nationals arrived, compared with 57,000 departures.

    The new EU members include Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Slovenia.

    The overall net UK migration figure – the number of immigrants minus numbers emigrating – for the 12 months ending in September 2009 was 142,000, down from 160,000 for the same period the previous year.

    The data comes from the International Passenger Survey of long-term international migration, a broad guide to migration movements.

    The figures do not take into account adjustments for asylum seekers, people who stay longer or less than intended, and migration to and from Northern Ireland.

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