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Royal Navy won't have Anti-Ship missiles following Harpoon retirement in 2018

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  1. Gessler

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    Royal Navy warships will be left without anti-ship missiles and be forced to rely on naval guns because of cost-cutting, the Ministry of Defence has admitted.

    The Navy’s Harpoon missiles will retire from the fleet’s frigates and destroyers in 2018 without a replacement, while there will also be a two year gap without helicopter-launched anti-shipping missiles.

    Naval sources said the decision was “like Nelson deciding to get rid of his cannons and go back to muskets” and one senior former officer said warships would "no longer be able to go toe-to-toe with the Chinese or Russians".

    Harpoon missiles are unlikely to be replaced for up to a decade, naval sources said, leaving warships armed only with their 4.5in Mk 8 guns for anti-ship warfare. Helicopter-launched Sea Skua missiles are also going out of service next year and the replacement Sea Venom missile to be carried by Wildcat helicopters will not arrive until late 2020.

    One Naval source said: “We will be losing our missile capability in total for two years. We will still have the gun, but the range of that is about 17 miles, compared to Harpoon, which is about 80 miles”.

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    The source said the new helicopter-launched Sea Venom missile will have a shorter range than the Harpoon and helicopters are also vulnerable to bad weather and being shot down.

    “The moment you put it up against a frigate or a destroyer, you will be inside their weapons range,” the source added.

    Rear-Admiral Chris Parry, said: "It's a significant capability gap and the Government is being irresponsible. It just shows that our warships are for the shop window and not for fighting."

    Lord West of Spithead, a former First Sea Lord, said: “This is just another example of where the lack of money is squeezing and making the nation less safe.

    We will have this gap of several years without missiles. Well, that’s fine if you don’t have to fight anybody in the meantime.”

    The Royal Air Force has long axed its own anti-ship missiles.

    Nick Childs, a naval expert at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, said Britain was cutting its anti-ship missiles just as America had decided they were becoming more critical to maritime fighting.

    “It must be a great concern that this capability is going to be removed without immediate or direct replacement because we are moving into an era of concern about a more contested maritime environment,” he said.

    A spokesman for the Navy said: “All Royal Navy ships carry a range of offensive and defensive weapons systems. Backed by a rising defence budget and a £178 billion equipment plan, upgrade options to all our weapons are kept under constant review.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...nti-ship-missiles-and-be-left-only-with-guns/

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    The situation in the RN seems pretty serious. Their ships won't have any real surface-warfare capability against a peer military until & unless the Type-26 GCS frigates arrive (starting mid-2020s if everything goes to plan) equipped with either the LRASM or an upgraded Harpoon.

    But as far as I know, there are no real steps taken as yet to purchase the LRASM for the Royal Navy (tell me if I'm wrong). Either way, the number of GCShips planned has been cut down (most probably owing to the same budgetary limitations that Alan West is concerned about), and that's going to hurt.

    Whatever happened to the FC/ASW program between UK & France? After an initial interest in the Perseus missile following it's 2011 concept debut by MBDA, it's been 5 years and I haven't heard anything about it after that.
     
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    There's been a steady decline for RN. It should give up its overseas ambitions now and focus only on its own neighbour hood and Falklands.
     
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    They've already been fitted to two Type 45s and will be fitted to 4 in total. It's seems odd to do this if that story is correct.

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    This is what happens when the military budget becomes a a place for other ministries to raid and when national security slides down the list of priorities for a govt.

    Oh and it is also what happens when a nation adopts a strategy of outsourcing its security to another nation (the US), your own military becomes seen as almost surplus to requirements.

    Having no AShM capability for so long is an almost ungodly oversight by defence planners but such is the poltical landscape in the UK it won't be taken seriously at any senior level. Such is the position the RN occupies in global security matters that this is unlikely to really affect it (whether the RN had these or not it will remain a power in decline)
     
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    + I also wonder if this is another casualty of the white elephants the RAF+RN are deadset to induct.
     
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    Brahmos ? Wanna buy Brits?
     
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    The story is correct. Btw Uk and Fr are developing a new missile to replace Harpoon, Exocet and SCALP/Storm Shadow. Probably derived from MBDA Perseus concept.
     
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    To be fair, submarines are the primary sea dominance vessel so having no anti-ship missile is not as bad as it seems. Still bad though, as some level of redundant capability is needed if submarines are not available or enemy ships manage to get past them.
     
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    well its not like we aren't twiddeling our thumbs doing nothing, we [ and the french] are developing a supersonic missile with built in decoys

    to be fiar the harpoons are old and useless now personally they are way past their sell by date.
    you either go large sub/supersonic or small so that it can fit internally in a 5th gen fighter. like what the tuks and the norwegians are up to

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    personally i prefer the smaller missiles as you dont really need to sink a ship just disable it
     
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    Lol, Brits are falling apart, its about time Russia humiliate them in sea, they love embarrassing Brits. Previously they did this by violating British airspace regularly due to poor RAF preparedness now they will do this with impunity in the sea.
     
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    what every floats your boat amigo.
     
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    We prefer Perseus. If he can kill a Minotaur and Hyperion with his bare hands, he can definitely **** up a ship.
     
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    But can he squeeze into a vertical launch tube and stay there for a nice, long time?

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    yes an thats what all missiles do, sit and be nice
     

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