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Rs 4,200-cr K-9 Vajra-T gun deal approved

Discussion in 'Indian Defence Industry' started by layman, Mar 31, 2017.

  1. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Nothing going on Bhim.

    There was one chance when German Head of State visited us a couple of years back and offered many collaborations.

    One of them was German consortium to work to revive Indian Bhim with their experience in their Panzerhaubitze 155 SPH.... but since then nothing more heard on it.
     
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    Smerch
     
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    NKVD 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    These Conventional role of Tracked SPH can be Switched By MBRLs
    By 2020 10 regiments Of Pinaka MK1 ,Mk2 MK3 Will will deployed and by 2025 its will be 22 regiments

    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...o-22-within-a-decade/articleshow/55852579.cms


    As of today the rate of production 5000 Missiles Per year Which will be doubled by 2020
    Pinaka Rockets". PIB, Govt of India. Retrieved 6 December 2014.


    Don't Know About Ancient M110 how many really System last in real war or on exist Mere on papers

    Main completion is With M109 series

    I Don't thing Order Will 100+50 Alone for K9 if L&T involved It With MII Orders will made further as the Initial regiments Will start inducting into the Army
     
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    shaktimaan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    I think MBRLs is more costly than Tracked SPH and cant be replaced by MBRLs
     
  6. NKVD

    NKVD 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Miss-informed Please check unit cost of both system


    Not really Unit cost Of Pinaka MBRL are 0.58 Million $ per unit With Better range and Accuracy more fire power

    For K9 thunder Its 3.9 Million $ Per Unit cost

    Though i am Not discounting Its Role
    India Place order for 100+50 K9 thunders With in house manufacturing with L&T Iam sure the order will increased as New regiments formed
     
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    NKVD 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Its Matter of years. In decade or So we Will Out match Pakistan in Heavy Artillery Dhanush
    DRDO ATAGS,M777,M-46(155mm)
     
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    it also includes rockets cost ?
     
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    NKVD 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Yes,12 rocket Tubes Each unit

    Presently,Each regiment consists of three batteries of six Pinakas each, plus reserves. A Pinaka battery has six launchers, six loader vehicles, six replenishment vehicles, two vehicles for ferrying the command post and a vehicle for carrying the meteorological radar, which will provide data on winds

    Indian Army Planing To raise 22 regiments within a decade into Indian army
    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...o-22-within-a-decade/articleshow/55852579.cms

    That's 18x3 =54 Launchers in Single regiment
    22 regiments is Equal to 1188 Launchers of Pinaka MBRL

    current Production capacity Of rockets are 5000 per year which will be increased Double in decade

    Pinaka Rockets". PIB, Govt of India. Retrieved 6 December 2014.

     
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    The question really is how is it that today, Indian Arty is comprehensively outmatched by a nation 5 times smaller in pretty much every class.

    Where is the accountability?
     
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    From T-6/Bhim To K-9/Vajra-T: Tracing The Tracked SPH Merry-Go-Round (P.K.Sengupta)

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    It was in March 1994, that Indian Army (IA) HQ formulated the GSQR for tracked self-propelled howitzers (T-SPH) SP by using the 152mm 2S19M1/MSTA-S T-SPH as the baseline performance parameter benchmark. In response to an RFI, proposals were received in December 1994 from five OEMs and subsequently, field mobility-firepower trials on a no-cost no-commitment basis of four different hybrid T-SPHs (from France, the UK, Russia and South Africa) were conducted between April and July 1995. During these trials, the option of using the T-72M hull for mounting the turret-mounted howitzer proved to be a failure due to powerpack-related mobility deficiencies and thus IA HQ rejected all four offers.

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    In mid-1996, Russia’s Rosoboronexport State Corp and Ekaterinberg-based Uraltransmash proposed to co-develop with the DRDO a hybrid 2S19M1/MSTA-S T-SPH that combined the hull of the T-90S MBT with a turret containing a 155mm/52-cal barrel that was to be jointly developed by Bofors AB and Volgograd-based Barrikady State Production Association. The Ministry of Defence (MoD) and IA HQ both ignored this offer due to its techno-economic complexities. In May 1997 it was decided by IA HQ that the AS-90 turret offered by UK-based VSEL and the T-6 turret of South Africa-based DENEL Land Systems ought to be mated with the hull of the CVRDE-developed Arjun Mk.1 MBT and both these hybrid T-SPH options ought to be evaluated through fresh field-trials.

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    Only DENEL accepted this offer, with VSEL declining to take part in the competition. In the meantime, IA HQ had amended its GSQR in March 1998 that now specified the requirement for both tracked and wheeled self-propelled howitzers of 52-calibre—the desired quantities being 120 and 814, respectively under the 10th Army Plan.

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    After conducting trial evaluations from July to September 1999, IA HQ in September 2000 recommended the induction of the hybrid T-6 T-SPH, known as BHIM, into service. In October 2000, the MoD’s Department of Defence Production & Supplies (DDP & S) nominated the MoD-owned Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) as the nodal production agency for indigenous manufacture of the BHIM in collaboration with DENEL. However, in March 2002 this decision was reviewed and the MoD-owned Bharat Earth Movers Ltd (BEML) was nominated as the nodal production agency even though BEML had no expertise in the field. As such, BEML was not even prepared for submitting its production plan within the stipulated time. The Cabinet Committee on National Security (CCNS) in June 2002 accorded approval in principle for the acquisition of 120 BHIM T-SPHs. Thereafter, in the same month, RFPs were issued to DENEL and BEML. Based on their commercial proposals, the MoD’s price negotiations committee (PNC) began negotiating with both between August 2002 and December 2003. In December 2004, the MoD decided to submit the BHIM’s procurement plan for CCNS approval. However, due to the blacklisting of the entire DENEL Group by the MoD in June 2005 due to the former’s alleged involvement in making illegal payments to certain agencies as commissions relating to another procurement (that of DENEL-built NTW-20 anti-materiel rifles), all contracts and negotiations with DENEL were abruptly cancelled.

    In June 2006 the MoD’s Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) cancelled the earlier hybrid T-SPH solution and instead approved the procurement of an integrated T-SPH system under the ‘Buy Global’ category with the stipulation that various T-SPHs be trial-evaluated in-country on a no-cost no-commitment basis. The RFP was issued in May 2007 to 29 OEMs worldwide, but finally only one OEM (South Korea’s Hanwha Techwin, formerly Samsung Techwin) offered a techno-commercial offer and thus the RFP was retracted as it was a single vendor situation. In February 2008, the DAC once again reiterated its preference for an integrated T-SPH system, following which an RFP was issued in August 2008 to 11 OEM s for submitting techno-commercial offers. Yet again, only Hanwha Techwin responded in March 2009 and hence the RFP was again withdrawn. However, on the request of some OEMs, the date of submission of bids was extended by eight weeks i.e. up to June 25, 2011.

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    Four companies, including TATA, the OFB and the BEML, bid for yet another new RFP that was issued in January 2011. Along with Hanwha Techwin teamed with Larsen & Toubro (L & T) that offered the K-9 Vajra-T, an upgraded version of OFB’s offer—the 152mm 2S19M1/MSTA-S—participated in the field evaluation trials held from March to August 2013 at the Pokhran Field Firing Range in Rajasthan. Subsequently, the K-9 Vajra-T (Thunderbolt) was shortlisted for acquisition in late September 2015 following extended field0trials that were concluded in early 2014. The MoD thereafter began price negotiations with L & T. On December 22, 2015 the MoD opened the techno-commercial bid of L & T as it was found to be the only T-SPH to comply with all the specified techno-operational parameters of the IA.

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    However, it was only on March 30, 2017 that the CCNS accorded its approval for the Rs 4,875-crore ($750 million) contract (to be inked next week) that now calls for the procurement of four Regiments each with 18 K-9s and four K-10 tracked ARV/ammunition re-supply vehicles (88 vehicles), plus 10 K-9s and two K-10s, with an option for procuring another three K-9 Regiments and 12 K-10s. The first 10 K-9s and four K-10s will be supplied within 18 months of contract signature, with the balance following in the next two years.

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    L & T will licence-build 13 major sub-systems (including the fire-control system, ammunition handling system, muzzle velocity radar, and the NBC filtration system) of the K-9 Vajra-T at its facilities in Talegaon and Powai, with final-assembly of the semi-knocked-down kits supplied by Hanwha Techwin taking place at Talegaon.

    L & T will also procure (from Russia’s JSC V. A. Degtyarev Plant) and install the NSV 12.7mm heavy machine guns on the K-10s, and will also equip all vehicles with the BEL-supplied FOG-based autonomous land navigation system, IRDE-developed driver uncooled thermal imagers, and STARS-V Mk.3 radios for communicating with the IA’s DRDO-developed ‘Shakti’ artillery fire-assault direction system.

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    To be attached to each K-9 Regiment will be an OFB-supplied Carrier Command Post Tracked (CCPT), plus BEL-supplied motorised medium-range battlefield surveillance radar (BSFR-MR) and its motorised communications vehicle

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    Leveled yes but out matched not pretty sure



    It's has happened for breif period
    Due to weak and damaging policies of congress for 10 years

    You assumptions are made on reading that article

    I still not believe how Pakistani's claiming to maintaining ancient guns like M59 long tom ,M114 and M110

    Without in-house manufacturing hub


    While Indian guns are claimed to be retried (D-30. Or S-23 ) and bofors. Shrinked to half due to unavailability of spares

    without supply of spares eventually with in house manufacturing hub
     
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    Well, If we are incompetent the as a fact of reality our enemy too must be equally incompetent? right.
     
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    What i quoted are mere Technical Facts Pakistanis Usually Brag there capabilities Some even claim that there f-16 have 100% operational rate Even Superior to OEM itself

    I Still Not Able digest that they are able to maintain Exact numbers of Ancient M59 And M110 without OEM supports
     
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    Can anybody please clarify, what is coming as "Semi-knocked-down-kits" from Hanwha Techwin ??

    And who is manufacturing Gun and Gun Barrel??

    And on which hull & turret it is basically using, and who will manufacture them??

    Thank you all.
     
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