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Rs 4,200-cr K-9 Vajra-T gun deal approved

Discussion in 'Indian Defence Industry' started by layman, Mar 31, 2017.

  1. MilSpec

    MilSpec Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Dont get to excited about it.
    Beas/Metamorphosis, or whatever they want to call it now. There are some serious pressure concerns with the barrel safety, I wont comment on testing but from what I have heard I am not to optimistic about the system as we have decided to incorporate the stub cartridge case obturator geabout which i was skeptical about from day one. With this setup there is not point of 45 caliber barrel, a 39 cal would just do fine unless we change the breach and provide a self seal that would actually be useful for a nato charge bringing 32KM range without base bleed.There are also concerns on the barrel pressure and, most likely they will run the rest of their lives with low charges and lower range.Sorry to sound gloomy about this. Hopefully we will hear a bit more about this soon.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Would you be in a favour of , two production lines , one of OFB making ~414 Dhanush and other of Kalyani making ~200 155/52 towed gun of theirs for Army, before ATAGS sets in ?

    A small buy from Kalyani for their 155/52 can be a good option for short term.
     
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  3. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I went thru the details of this gun and found that this gun is an ideal platform to be transformed into FMBT capable of being used as SPH and also platform for QR-SAMs. We can create a sensor fusion of MMW radars, commander hunter killer thermal+Night sights and active protection system fused with QR-SAMs. about 4-6 QR SAMs can be loaded at the rear of this gun in vertical launchers and one regiment will be able to replace about one regiment of SPH+QRSAMs. This gun can be given an architecture like that of aircraft cockpit with Driver, Commander with full control of weapon systems and an autoloader with a manual loader also available. We can cut out one loader and Gunner from the system with automation which will free up the space for QR SAMs and more specialised anti tank ammo.
    I wud love to go for such a tank using Arjun chassis and ATAGS as the main gun.
     
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    Aqwoyk Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    That would be quite a heavy tank , also 155 mm gun ? Good for western side but in mountains light tanks with Hard kill APS will be better suited.
     
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    Aqwoyk Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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  6. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The K-9 weighs just about 47 tons, I am for such a tank having about 51-53 tons of weight and for hilly areas we can use the main gun of M777 howitzers which are very light and have 39 calibre. This will help us standardise the complete ammo supplyline to 155mm rounds. and one tank will fit all the roles.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    @The Lockean, what are your views about my idea. We can probably create an HMDS kind of system for tank commander to rapidly acquire, track, lock and fire the gun/missile/QR SAM.
     
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    Aqwoyk Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    I don't think that our guys at DRDO can engineer 155mm gun into a tank gun for the tank purpose and onto a tank chassis , at max they can make an average SPH based on ATAGS but not tank .
     
  9. Aqwoyk

    Aqwoyk Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    For mountains battle it is a good idea .
    What kind of the QR missiles you are proposing for , IIR based or RF based ? Some mix system with a decent IRST and mix of Missiles with RF and IIR seekers will make the task smooth .
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    @Aqwoyk, I am not asking to convert a tank into the kind of tank that I suggested instead I am asking to convert the SPH in to a tank. There is big difference between the two. You can scale down and strengthen an SPH but you can't scale up a tank.
     
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    Aqwoyk Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Have you forwarded the idea to MOD ?
     
  12. T-123456

    T-123456 2nd Lieutant THINKER

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    So,you are getting 100 K-9s at first and more to follow?
    No ToT?
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    100% TOT, these guns are going to be manufactured in India from raw material.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    No. This came to my mind just today.
     
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    T-123456 2nd Lieutant THINKER

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    Manufacturing and ToT are not the same but if you say with ToT then its a good deal.
     

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