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Rs 4,200-cr K-9 Vajra-T gun deal approved

Discussion in 'Indian Defence Industry' started by layman, Mar 31, 2017.

  1. Aqwoyk

    Aqwoyk Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    NKVD 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    We getting 10 guns directly from OEM

    Rest 90 all are made in india buy L&T

    Options for 50 more is included in contract

    But industrial sources say after first regiments will form Mod will may order another 150

    Same goes for M777 intial 144 under FMS

    Follow in order of 500 under JV of BAE & mahindra defence.
     
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    Significantly, the most critical parts of the gun – the barrel and breach – will be imported. “It’s not viable to produce the barrels in India for an order of just 100 guns. We can make this happen in larger programmes like towed guns,” said Patil, claiming that a capability to produce nuclear-grade steel makes barrel production for artillery guns a distinct possibility for L&T.
    http://www.livefistdefence.com/2017...-9-guns-to-start-deliveries-in-11-months.html
     
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    NKVD 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    We got all FH-77 Haubits 400 guns from Swedon directly during 1988 to 91

    But still we got ToT and blue print from them of these guns through contract

    The Guns like dhanush & DRDO AtAGS are further advanced upgrade of these FH-77 guns by DRDO &OFB on its own with indigenous technology
     
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    flanker143 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Sounds good on paper but as you are suggesting that it should have a 2 man crew, isnt it a bit too much for those 2 guys to keep their eyes peeled for hostile mbts, checking their radars for air targets , trying to ID them while also staying ready to provide arty fire all at the same.

    and if it is said that a vehicle of this type will not be doing more than one of these tasks at a time then there is simply no point in putting all this capability in one vehicle. It is better to have a separate vehicle for these 3 different roles. It is simply not practical.

    K9 does weigh 47t but it is spg, it weighs 47tons without any sort of armor that a MBT requires. A vehicle like k9 with MBT levels of protection will weigh upwards of 70tons.

    Also even if the shell is 155mm, carrying 3-4 different types of arty ammo+ missile ammo + anti tank ammo that too in sizeable numbers is impossible in one vehicle.

    nope , barrel , breech and engine will be imported.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I talked of a three man crew. Pls read my post correctly. I obviated the need for Gunner and one additional loader. K-9 has a five member crew with 3.4m track width. I proposed Arjun Chassis with reduced track width so that we can have a track width equal to that of T-90MS. The protection level of a tank is not dependent on its armour protection alone. It is a combination of many factors including decoys, jammers and APS. The whole some of it will decide the weight. I can protect a Maruti Gypsy against any kind of weapon provided I have that kind of technology available to me.
    I have answered it abaove.
    As I told you, increased width and reduced crew compartment size will create that space for additional ammo and such a tank will rely more on netcentric warfare wherein the total ammo carried by the full regiment will be the ammo carried by each tank.
     
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    @MilSpec Sir what do you think? These folks have a joint venture with DAE for making critical forgings for nuclear power plants.
     
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    That's more about economies of scale, don't you think?
     
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    DRDO Arjun Catapult 2014
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    German WW2 Artillery
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    :rolleyes2: I guess we are catching up.
     
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    bharathp Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    @Sancho being very pessimistic! :p
     
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    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Actually it was a "realistic" assessment of their capabilities in this field. :smile:
    But at least here the government did something right and imported the necessary stuff, instead of waiting for DRDO.
     
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    both are quite unrelated. Unless there is some data or publications to review, cant really say much. As far as the 130mm to 155 upgrade is concerned, it has been a dog of a project.
     
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    I envy your optimism. I leave it at that.
     
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    I do not think that MLRS would get required arc of fire in most of Himalyan terrain. Ballistic missiles could approach from steeper angles. Even tube artillery has better angle of approach than MLRS.
     

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