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Russia announces deepest defence spending cuts since 1990s

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by BMD, Mar 19, 2017.

  1. IndiranChandiran

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    I think there's more to this binary in Indo Russian engagement .Russia's the only country with which we have deep strategic ties in the defence sector .The only other equivalent country is Israel .We've still some way to go with France before we can qualify our relationship with them as strategic in the defence sector .

    Agni, Nirbhay , INS Arihant , etc would have either been imposible or too far ahead in the future were we to go down that path alone .

    However depleted their indigenous ability we're still talking of a ranking power with a technological base superior in many respects to the Chinese for the present & the near future .That should be paramount in our calculations .

    We can & should leverage their troubles to our advantage to secure our wish list .I believe the incumbent Modi administration has understood this & seems to be playing it's cards accordingly .The Russians are tangoing to our lead too .The very fact that the JV for Su 30 MKI spares has been concluded in double quick time tells us the Russians are finally serious about our concerns .Were this scenario to be enacted a decade ago they would've given us the go around .

    Articles like that in the OP are par for the course ..They indicate a certain amount of hard bargaining by the Indians who've set the bar high on what they can extract from the Russians .Full ToT is an impossibility as many members here have pointed out .What is possible , however , is a series of JV's with Russia on joint manufacture of their top of the line armaments & more to the point JV's in development of next generation technologies for which we have the dough & the Russians the know how .How the latter will pan out depends on how smoothly we can conclude the contract on FGFA with how much we are able to bend the Russians to our will.This then can be a template for future strategic deals with them & the French as well.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Speaking of PAK-FA...

    @randomradio

    55 in 2020 or 12 or....

    [​IMG]
     
  3. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Building 55 LRIPs would have been the same mistake as the F-35. The Russians did well to scale back the LRIP to just 12 jets, as any sane program should. They tried to emulate the F-35 program but quickly learned from the mistakes of the F-35 program.

    Now LRIP is 12. But FRP will be in the hundreds. FGFA for India alone would be 300-350.
     
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    the alternative exists if we have the political will - in france, Israel or even USA
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    By 2023 the UK alone will have more stealth fighters than India and Russia combined.

    Care to place a bet?
     
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    All a matter of money. Most Western European countries have the know-how if they're prepared to spend 4-8% of GDP on defence.
     
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    AFAIK I know brother, France and Israel don't have a ground up stealth platform...If there are any future platform....They must be atleast a decade away....And I don't think we are interested in any of their current platforms for the FGFA role...

    The American alternative....I don't think, will come with 'relatively' less strings attached to it...
    If we were to be interested in the 35 talks would have started long ago...

    Here the negotiations take about half a decade....So if we start a new hunt now....It will delay the already delayed procurement.


    But this is exactly what happens with countrties that can't make their own weapons, the world it seems is an unforgiving place....
     
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    I doubt the offer to sell the F-35 to India was genuine, it was made well after India had committed to the Rafale and no such offers to Pakistan have been made. Pakistan has been more NATO-aligned in the past. Ditto for NATO-aligned regimes in the Middle East. NATO, Pacific allies (Japan, ROK, Australia etc.) and Israel are the only customers on the list.

    From the US perspective, India is too close to Russia to give them the F-35 and Pakistan is too close to China. The risk outweighs the revenue.
     
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    But all those will be IOC aircraft, not FOC. And India and Russia are aiming for 5.5 gen aircraft, not 5 gen.
     
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    Sure. Despite a severe shortage of funds they've leaped ahead. Whatever. ;)
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    There are no shortage of funds. But India is still to commit on FGFA, and there's only a few months to go for that to happen, less than that actually. FGFA and AMCA are not 5 gen designs, they are much more than that.

    Why else do you think the US is in a hurry to make new stealth aircraft designs in the next 5-10 years? They know that the F-22 and F-35 are not competitive with the FGFA.
     
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    Since they started dipping into their oil fund and since they had to dip into foreign currency (i.e. $) reserves.
     
  15. IndiranChandiran

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    Just how many of them will Scotland , Ireland & Wales inherit post UKexit?
     

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