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Russia seeks to sell PAK-FA / T-50 jets to Korea

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  1. Hembo

    Hembo OLD MOD STAR MEMBER

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    Russia seeks to sell stealth jets to Korea
    By Lee Tae-hoon

    Russia has decided to enter Korea’s advanced jet acquisition project, which would be the biggest arms-procurement deal ever in the country, a defense official said Wednesday.

    “Russian aircraft manufacturer Sukhoi expressed its intent to compete in the fighter jet procurement project early this year,†Col. Wi Jong-seong of the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) said.

    He said Sukhoi’s T-50 PAK-FA will vie with the F-15SE Silent Eagle from Boeing, the F-35 Lightning II f4rom Lockheed Martin and the Eurofighter Typhoon from the European Aeronautic Defense and Space Company (EADS).

    The T-50 PAK-FA and the F-35 Lightning II are fifth generation stealth fighters, while the remaining two are fourth generation jets with limited stealth capabilities.

    Earlier in the day, DAPA spokesman Son Hyeong-yeong announced that his agency has eased the criteria to allow more companies to bid for the FX-III project, under which Korea will purchase 60 high-end fighters with a budget of 8.29 trillion won ($7.86 billion).

    “We will set up strategies that will allow for the transfer of core technology and that will encourage competition,†he said.

    Insiders, however, say both the T-50 PAK-FA and Eurofighter Typhoon have a little chance in winning the bid as Korea’s alliance with the United States will be a decisive factor in the race.

    They say EADS offered a better deal in Korea’s last jet acquisition project in 2008 than its American competitor Boeing, but lost the bid due largely to political decisions.

    Boeing and Lockheed Martin, two of the largest defense contractors in the United States, say they have had a long industrial partnership with Korea and their fighters offer high compatibility with its existing weapons systems.

    EADS recently announced that it will offer Korea the chance to assemble and partly manufacture Eurofighter Typhoons in Korea in an apparent bid not to lose the FX-race again.

    “The first 10 deliveries will be assembled in Europe, while the next 24 will be built with components manufactured in Korea,†Erwin Obermeier, a senior advisor of export projects at EADS said, adding that the remainder will be assembled here.

    He also downplayed concerns over compatibility, saying all Korean fighters and Eurofighters are built to be inter-operable in the NATO environment.

    Korea has purchased 60 F-15s from Boeing, which won both the FX-I and II projects in 2002 and 2008

    Meanwhile, DAPA announced that Korea will spend 1.84 trillion won to acquire 36 attack helicopters from overseas. Col. Tan Myeong-hoon of DAPA said the AH-1W SuperCobra by Bell and AH-64D Block III from Boeing, will compete with the EC-665 Tiger from Eurocopter of France and the T-129 from Turkey.

    The winners of the FX-III and the attack helicopter bids will be announced in October next year.
     
  2. Skull and Bones

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    Re: Russia seeks to sell stealth jets to Korea

    Permission granted. :biggthumpup:

    We can evaluate the performance of T-50 in front of F-15SE and F-35. Hope it won't be a political decision.
     
  3. Hembo

    Hembo OLD MOD STAR MEMBER

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    Re: Russia seeks to sell stealth jets to Korea

    Korea is not likely to go for Russian jets. The article also says the same. However, it is about Russia's intent to offer T-50 to other countries, which is the point of the article. Also, should India insist to have some sort of blacklisted countries, to whom, it cannot be sold?
     
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    Re: Russia seeks to sell stealth jets to Korea

    We should develop a downgraded version for export.

    Since it's a joint venture, we might earn some cash from this sale.:mrgreen:
     
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    Yeah, this aircraft is highly classified project in respect of India because of its advanced radar, avionics etc.
    There is a estimation that this project cost india around $ 30 bn, but by downgrading its gadets-we are free to sell to other countries. And it also helps to down back the project cost.
     
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    hmm... The Russians seem desperate for a sale.. they offered the SU-35 to Australia earlier and now offering T-50 to Korea?? i dont think they should be exporting the T-50, it is too valuable, and the tech is too sensitive.. the US isnt exporting the f-22, the russians should follow suit and keep the T-50 a strictly russian/indian program for now.. export the Mikoyan LMFS instead in the near future.. a sale to the Koreans and the Aussies will most certainly mean, the aircraft will be taken to skunk works and disassembled and studied.
     
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    Yeah, you are right. But we, russian and indian, are not like the american. There economy is more then triple than russia+india. So, they can manage this. But we needed money for this project.
     
  8. Tshering22

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    I was about to say the same thing as well. Wonder whether the HAL has even thought about it lest it goes into the hands of our enemies or potential threat cases. Russians at the moment aren't really too cautious about whom they sell what. We need to just put the "ahem ahem" somewhere. South Korea is a great prospective country and it would be miraculous if they chose PAK FA. What's more, ROK is a great future strategic partner in east Asia.

    I don't think that they'd be giving away all the associated tech. There will be some places where they'd like to retain control.
     
  9. Manmohan Yadav

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    South Korea ????

    Let em have it :yu:
     
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    I totally agree...and this leads to assume that either the aircraft is not that advanced as F-22 or the Russians are desperate to earn some $$$...I mean,isn't T-50 supposed to be their top-notch,hot-shot,super-secret project?
     
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    In the end, it all comes down to the money. The French bombed Libya with the same plane they offered them.
    The USA is trying its best to add India to the F-35's customer list. But does that make it in any way an impotent plane?
    It's not the Cold War anymore, Russia did in the past offer some of its most-cutting tech to countries that were very close to the USA and even NATO members for that matter.
     
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    You are right...but US is selling F-35 to other nations already,no?
     
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    Re: Russia seeks to sell stealth jets to Korea

    Some update on the tender courtesy Korean of DefPak.

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    F-35 : $120 million
    Typhoon : $126 million
    Silent Eagle : $90 million
    PAK-FA : $90 million

    Then there is the separate tech transfer package considerations, in which Russians are expected to offer the best package. So looks like a done deal, right? Not quite.

    The biggest problem with PAK-FA is the data link, for which the Link16 connectivity is required. Both Russia and Korea must sit down and try to figure out a way to put the Link16 in PAK-FA, most likely through a European vendor. The fall back option, the use of Korea's Link-K datalink covering the Army and the Navy, allows PAK-FA to be connected to the C&C but not to the AWACS or to the rest of ROKAF and USAF fighter fleet operating on Link16.

    Based on what's discussed, PAK-FA's chance of actually winning the tender is excellent, assuming the Datalink problem can be solved
     
  14. Optimist

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    T-50 is already being touted as more lethal and superior to F-35, it's snapping at the heels of F-22.:smokin:
     
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    T-50 >= F-35 not F-22.

    Btw which nation would like to buy a raptor even if it's for sale, given it's price and high costs of maintenance? Oh wait may be Chinese to reverse engineer. :tongue:
    US itself is content with the 140-150+ Raptors.:rolleyes2:
     
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