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Russia to offer Skat UCAV tech to India?

Discussion in 'Indian Defence Industry' started by brahmos_ii, Nov 14, 2013.

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  1. brahmos_ii

    brahmos_ii Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    After BAE Systems, EADS, Saab and Dassault, the latest contractor now apparently ready to cooperate with India in UCAV technology is RAC-MiG. The company’s discontinued Skat unmanned combat air system demonstrator. Currently, Russia’s future UCAV platform is being spearheaded by Sukhoi with technology inputs from RAC-MiG, though sources indicate that Russia has sent feelers to India for possible cooperation in that sphere as well.

    The topline aviation partnerships between the two countries currently include the ongoing Su-30MKI license build in Nashik, the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft and the Multirole Transport Aircraft. In 2010, the Indian Air Force conducted an abortive campaign to procure UCAVs from the global market, ending up with a profusion of information, rather, on the systems available and what cooperation was possible. While no country was willing to sell systems outright—indeed, no systems are operational yet, except for the U.S.-built Reaper hunter-killer drones—several offers for cooperation were forthcoming.

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  2. Haruki

    Haruki FULL MEMBER

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    The UAV tech of russian is very poor, just like a third world Country.

    IMHO, Dassault's neuron is a better choice.

    Skat UCAV is only a model now, and has been canceled in 2007.

    And with the consideration of good relationship between U.S/boeing and Indian, X-45 is very attracktive, X-45 is no chance in USAF & US Navy.
     
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  3. smestarz

    smestarz Lt. Colonel REGISTERED

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    We should get on the so called UCAV band wagon soon, but let us not keep all our eggs in Russian baskets,
    We are already working with them on FGFA (PAKFA) and let us see how that evolves,
    We have had not so good experience with Russia recently and so we might best keep our options open and be "buyer" for Russian UCAV if available and if required let us join the Europeans in their project, Since there are many partners already, the development cost will be shared and hence lower and we can learn tech from different partners.

    Lately Russia is not keen to give us full TOT even the Technology transfer for T-90 main gun was not given even though it was agreed.
     
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  4. Manmohan Yadav

    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    Can't trust those Russian's to give us the complete tech.
     
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    Zeus_@21 Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    smestarz Lt. Colonel REGISTERED

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    There are many such projects but only INSAS and LCA have seen light of day, Further the Army is not really happy about INSAS
    What they need is DRDO and Defence personel working together without any ego problem.

    DRDO Aura is still a paper tiger, LCA design was started in 70's two generations of planes passed already.
    So best not to count Aura as a real project as of now. Aura may turn out to be just an Aura, and nothing tangible
     
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    neil_diablos Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    Given how Russian projects are turning out, I do not have much faith in them. They simply see India as a means of milking money. I would rather as Dassault for assistance. Their nEUROn project seems promising!
     
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  8. Hidalgo

    Hidalgo 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    true
     
  9. kaku

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    As agreed?? They didnt transfer this tech. at all, actually the main gun of T-90 is derived from Arjun Tank,
    the russians are really a back stabber, in SUs deal it was decided that AL-31 tech. will be fully transferred with Single Crystal Blade tech. but in the end in this matter they back stab too..

    And this is the main problem for MRCA, the MRCA project is just not buy the Rafale but to bring some high level tech. to India that can help in developing different other project like Indian AESA and Kaveri engine for Mark 2,
    but France also trying to follow the russian way, on the other hand IAF just trying to buy Rafale, if we getting the same tech. what we get in SU-30 MKI then there is no need to sign this deal.
     
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    Vyom Captain IDF NewBie

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    They have lost about 20 -30 years of tech R&D owing to fall of the USSR.... still their low tech stuff, such as the S300 and S400 missiles and simple ship mounted guns that don't require too much High end tech are still quite a buy. Current projects are more like playing catchup to the west... they will fail in some, some will succeed. India must not put all its eggs in the Russian basket no way...!!
     
  11. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    yes we should go for it -if

    the joint venture and development of technology is done on the lines of Brahmos partnership and in india and also get some purchase commitments from russia
     
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    smestarz Lt. Colonel REGISTERED

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    I do not know the intentions of the Russians,
    We have purchase Mirage 2000 but I do not think we have the ToT for them . We were just assembling the kits
    We need to have ToT first before we pay them the final cheque, else we ignore the licence production terms and produce any numbers that we want
     
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    Truly correct, but if we going for Rafale just fill the squadron gap then its a wastage of huge amt. of money,

    The $20 bn deal is a huge amt., and Dassault going to make huge profit from this deal,

    but if they cant understand what the ToT means, and cant transfer the tech. of M88 and AESA, and about the other composite material used in the aircraft,

    then its wastage of money.
     
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    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    also lets not forget that this is not a proven developed technology - it is a cancelled project which they are trying to revive for development so there is no question of level of technology and technology transfer

    lets remember that we were originally offered to take partnership in their PAKFA project whcih we initially refused then we again joined the project under FGFA banner - essentially customizing the PAKFA for INDIA on the lines of Su MKI and will end up paying 50% of the project cost of PAKFA development and getting FGFA in return

    Also we were offered joint development of sukhoi / Mig cancelled model for development when we came up requirement for MMRCA in 2000. which was refused by us - till 2014 we have not been able to sign contract for it. If that joint development project would have been undertaken even in 2002 - we would have got some operational planes delivered by now.

    lets face it - no other country is going to offer us this kind of technology to us

    we should follow two approaches for our UCAV's

    1. Take up this russian offer on the lines of Brahmos JV

    2. Since Tejas will get get IOC -2 and go for FOC and since production will be initiated soon for it. experiment with LSP of Tejas and try to convert it into UCAV's on the lines of what US is trying to do with its F-16
     
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    The problem is, the Russians too didnt transferring the full ToT according to the contracts,

    first they assure that they will transfer and when the deal signed they back stab.
    The problem is that, if they didnt want to transfer then why they signing on the ToT contracts.
     
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