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Russia to offer Skat UCAV tech to India?

Discussion in 'Indian Defence Industry' started by brahmos_ii, Nov 14, 2013.

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  1. Manmohan Yadav

    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    Tejas into a armed UAV is indeed a very tempting offer
    it has the range, speed and the ability

    and with 7-9 hard points, its will be a formidable opponent
     
  2. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    If you read the statments from IAF and DRDO then they clearly mention that first batch of 40 tejas MK1 will be inducted on completion of IOC 2 and then with IAF support it will go through FOC

    Now we are not talking about redesigning the Tejas to convert to Drone
    When we are designing a new drone (rustom) it is grounds up work - it will take time
    But when we talk of Converting a Tejas to Drone - we need not design /test new airframe the logic is to use the Tejas airframe ( just as in case of F-16 / P.180 )

    So more development need to be on communication links / control logic / software which can be initiated even while tejas goes through IOC 2 and FOC

    Also my mention of Tejas LSP was just to highlight that when we develop the above mentioned prerequisites then the LSP tejas which will not be used for further tests can be fitted and uploaded with these and can be used for undertaking trials for converting it to UCAVs

    Comeon if a commercial venture Piaggio Aero can convert a Business class Aircraft then we can so the same to Tejas /

    also another idea why not also try the same on avro whcih anyways we are going to scrap and replace

    If you are worried about timing - then it should be now because it will compress the time gap between induction of Tejas Mk2 / Naval Tejas and then conversion of them Drones
     
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    smestarz Lt. Colonel REGISTERED

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    Yes you are right, else in after a few years the IAF like the IA will want to replace Tejas with other foreign aircraft using the same comments that Army has for INSAS
     
  4. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    [MENTION=6253]vstol jockey[/MENTION] [MENTION=8373]Picard[/MENTION]
    pl go thru this thread and share some of your views on the idea of converting tejas into an UCAV

    maybe you cna apply the same to your fighter projects that you are designing

    so what do you think of this idea
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    I don't need to go through thread to tell you what I think about it, converting a manned fighter into air-superiority UCAV is a terrible idea, period.

    On drones | Defense Issues
    Why UAVs cannot replace fighter aircraft | Defense Issues
    The myth of the precision bombing | Defense Issues
    Why the West should revert to the KISS principle | Defense Issues

    These are all my articles, read through them to get an idea. But basically, UCAVs simply can't get inside human pilot's OODA loop.
     
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    smestarz Lt. Colonel REGISTERED

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    I do think the idea is good, but how they design and implement it that is important.
    I do not agree with Picard (with due respect)

    I think the pilot can be replaced using a drone, but then what needs to be addressed is
    1. The drone should have systems that can get feedback for both visual and audio, specially within proximity. Drones do not have any audio capability.

    2. The feedback (hence the data interaction) should be faster. The timing should be good, but since the operator is way in the rear and so any movement on his joystick will have a lag of few vital seconds that can be the difference hitting or missing the target.

    The point 2 is why it is still not the time for drones to replace the pilot in cockpit,
    But the advantage of drone is that, the drone can be fitted with many sensors and avionics, and hence back at base the drone's "cockpit " can have not only the "pilot" (operator) but different sensor operators and Weapon system officers without putting their weight in actual plane. Thus you can have a pilotless drone in air, and have pilot + 5 or more co-pilot type operators who can take care of individual scanning, tracking and evualation. The drone pilot would have the task of flying the drone, where as other things such as Radar or other officers can designate and aim at the target thus reliving the drone pilot of doing everything and he can actually focus on what he does best... FLYING.
     
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    Billi nay shair koo darakht pey charhnaa kiyoonb nahii sikhaaya? ;)
     
  8. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Except for OODA loop. Unless UCAV is completely autonomous, there will be a lag of several seconds before UCAV observing enemy action and responding to it, possibly more than 10 seconds. So in dogfight, it will get shot down easily. And even though UAVs are controlled by pilot on the ground when landing, one who actually sees them physically as he's located at exact air base they are landing at, crash rate is still stupidly high. Buy 100 nEUROns now and in a year or two you will have to replace the entire fleet. And that without any war to help it. How, then, is UCAV supposed to outthink human pilot?
     
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  9. Manmohan Yadav

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    English please, sorry cant read it
    words are not clear
     
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    Even if we have not sold BRAHMOS to Russia as agreed, we have the technology for fastest Cruise Missile. Isn't it ? ;)
     
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    Another technology in which Pakistan has beaten India.
    Pakistan recently announced existence of their. UCAV
     
  12. Paliwal Warrior

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    :tup::tup:
     
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