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Russian Ambassador to Turkey Andrey Karlov Shot Dead in Ankara

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by Aero, Dec 20, 2016.

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  1. Butter Chicken

    Butter Chicken 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Talked to a couple of Muslim(Sunni,I presume) colleagues about this,they seem very happy that Russia got "payback"
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Captain Technical Analyst

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    Gather them all in concentration camps , give them and the world 3 weeks of time and two options.
    1. Return to Syria
    2. Go west.

    At the end of 3 weeks , kill them all left.
    But if Turkish Economy is able to take few, Take a few and let others manage for themselves.

    The Nationals who toil hard every day in Turkey have a deserved say in the resources of Turkey, not others. If that is fulfilled , then you may look for charity.
     
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    venureddy Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    last time i remember Turkey has made some billon dollar deals with europe regarding refugees.
     
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    venureddy Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    what is the root cause for this crisis??? who is responsible for this mess in middle east??? i think you know the answer pretty well. send those refugees to that countries or even better make them stop their support to terrorists.
     
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    neil_diablos Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    There is actually no "friendship" between countries. They will actually do a favour only if they directly or indirectly benefit from it. I am sure there have been exceptions but such exceptions are few and far between.
     
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    T-123456 2nd Lieutant THINKER

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    Can you tell me who is responsible for this mess,i would like to know.
    But be sure to name all the facts,why and when it started by whome.
     
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    T-123456 2nd Lieutant THINKER

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    Billions of dollars?
    Do you know how much my country already ''paid'' for the refugees?
    You think my country a top 20 economy needs 3,3 billion US dollars?
    Its always better to know what your talking about.
    Do the math,the costs were 500 million US dollars a month in 2015.
    Not a Turkish source,

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...a-refugees-spent-billion-in-three-months.html
     
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    Pundrick 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    The whole crisis in the middle-east is Sunni vs Shia battle, and all the Sunni majority country are seen as the supporters of the ISIS and other Sunni led groups and the Shia group is led by Iran and Co. I thought you knew about it, at least that is what we have been listening to from last 2-3 years. And in Indian media there isn't much USA or Russian influence seen so most of the time the news report regarding ISIS and Syria is very accurate.

    And even Turkey is accused of supporting ISIS by buying oil and other commodities from them, see whether you give them gun or money by doing business you'll be seen as a sponsors of terrorism in the world community, and in past few months these activities has affected image of Turkey as secular nation. And the naive foreign policy of Erdogan has also added fuel to this cause.
     
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    I hope normalcy returns. I am sorry, i am not aware of the political situation in Turkey. Please elaborate the situation of the leadership for our readers.

    regards.
    milspec.
     
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    I'm sure the assassin of the Russian Ambassador felt the same way. Clearly has clearly taken a side in Syria: they have joined Shia Iran to back Assad to the hilt, trying to keep him power by any means necessary. That Russia is directly involved in military attacks on anti-Assad rebels has clearly upset a lot of Sunnis the world over. Killing a Russian Ambassador is only the beginning, expect more attacks in the future.
     
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    venureddy Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    really!!! you do not know that nations like saudi arabia supports terrorists??? why don't they accept some refugees from syria???? after all they have one of the largest camps for pilgrims lying empty in their country. and i am including a link below if you so happens to be unaware of that camp and how huge it is.
    http://speisa.com/modules/articles/...s-giant-saudi-arabian-tent-camp-is-empty.html
     
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    venureddy Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    i thought that you know about these deals!!!!!
    i thought you are aware of turkish blackmail of europe to send in more immigrants of turks do not get EU membership and Visa free travel!!!
    too bad you are not aware of the matters concerning your own country.:dude:
     
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    venureddy Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    who is to blame for that refugee crisis???? i don't think its Russia or assad for that matter. it is the western and arabs creation called ISIS that has slaughtered millions and committed many atrocities and sold Oil to Turkey(which they willingly bought). last time i heard that Turkish military is shooting kurds who are fighting against ISIS(i wonder why!!).
     
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    The Iraq crisis was an American project initiated by Bush,he attacked Saddam Huseyin defeated him and installed a Shia-only government which excluded the Sunni population.
    The Sunnis of Iraq had not other choice but to abide by the rules set by the Shia government and live like second grade citizens or fight for equal rights through an insurgency.
    The question we could ask is why did the US do this,didnt it want peace in Iraq,equal rights for all,live in peace together,wouldnt that be the solution to the Iraq problem?
    Apparently not,this leads to the conclusion that the US wanted Iraq to stay in turmoil.
    Btw,there was no ISIS then,only Sunni insurgency lead by defected Sunni generals.
    Yes we were and are accused of so many things,

    ''CIA apologizes to Turkey over ISIL oil trade allegations''
    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ci...ions.aspx?PageID=238&NID=107404&NewsCatID=358

    http://geopoliticsalert.com/cia-apologizes-turkey-accusing-buying-isis-oil
    http://www.worldbulletin.net/world/181872/cia-apologizes-to-turkey-over-isil-oil-links

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...o-turkey-over-false-claims-of-links-to-daesh/

    I added the other sources to verify the authenticity
    The situation is clear,Erdogan dictates and the people follow,do as he says.
    The 15 years of AKP(Erdogans party) leadership have lead the country from the western oriented secular democracy with a bright economic future to a country in turmoil surrounded by enemies.
    Im no economist but even i can see that an economy existing on foreign loans is doomed to fail,unemployment is at 11,3(not since the nineties).
    We had the best relations with Israel(helped us during the many weapon embargos against my country),they gave us Abdullah Ocalan(PKK terrorist head) on a plate(Mosad catched him for us),many Israƫli tourists came to my country every year,they trained together with the Turkish Air Force in Turkiye,they stood by us.
    What happened,he chose the fvcking Hamas over Israel,un fvcking real.
    The guy was anti Israel from the beginning(2000)
    He sent the IHH(terrorist supporters,Muslim Brotherhood) with a flottila to Gaza which caused the death of 10 of these terrorists and the end to the good relations we had.
    He had good relations with Assad,they were BFFs but his greed caused that relationship to end.
    The GCC countries together with the US(then pro GCC) wanted a pipeline to Turkiye and Assad was ok with it but changed his mind because Iran came with a better offer,a pipeline from Iran to Syria and the Mediterranian.
    So,Assad had to go,but how?
    Anti Assad demonstrations,people got killed,FSA formed,barrelbombs,chemical attacks etc.
    Then why didnt Obama hold on to his ''red lines'' and end Assad just like he did with Gaddafi and Morsi,it wouldnt take that much effort or time,there was an insurgency,so why not?
    Because if he did,there would never have been an ISIS,there was no ISIS then.
    Well he changed sides because the Arabs were getting to cocky and he had seen that there is no hope for these hidden Islamists(the leadership) because for the ruling Arab families of the GCC,the dumber the people the more the slave mentality so,Sharia Law suits them just fine.
    Thats why many Arab states like Morocco,Algeria,Tunisia,Lebanon are not seen as Arabs(to free,to much education) by the GCC leadership.
    Egypt is easy,the dictator can be bought.
    Back to Erdogan,since the US made deals with Iran,his safe-zone wish was no more,what could he do,he could have gone for it alone(best option) an nobody would have dared to counter,Assad would be defeated and a democratic leadership would have replace him,aligned to Erdogan.
    Why didnt he?
    Because he has no balls(he was afraid to fail) and he had jailed/replaced all the Kemalist generals(hardcore NATO generals,real Turks) of the Armed forces with his stooges(Islamist,no experience.no guts).
    He fvcked up bigtime,either stay out or have the balls to finish what you have started
    Erdogan came up with the ''acilim''(reconciliation) policy in 2001 when the PKK was almost finished(300 to 500 fighters left),90% the Kurdish population had nothing to do with the PKK(marxists fascists) but this idiot gave the PKK a podium,how can a Turkish leader do that?
    Well he wanted votes,he needed the Kurdish votes.
    The system in my country is that there is a treshold of 10%,under that you get nothing and all those votes go to the biggest party(AKP),if the Kurds have a party(HDP),they will get 10% because of the ''peace proses'' with the PKK,many parties will lose votes(Kurdish) and wont make the treshold of 10% so,all of their votes go to the AKP.
    All these attacks against my country made Erdogans position only stronger,''we will finish them bla bla bla''',people believe and still trust him,unbelievable.
    To much to write,if you have any questions,just ask and ill answer.
    Officially,its not the Saudi government that supports the terrorists but ''some elements''.
    They dont accept refugees because these refugees have a disease called democracy,what will happen if lets say 500k Syrians stay in the KSA for a decade?
    That 500k will become at least 5 million(the way they breed) and they will want democratic rule which will cause trouble for the leaership in the KSA,think about it.
    Im sure you understand now why i asked those questions.
    That blackmail you talk about started as a deal proposed by the EU,''take back the refugees and we will give you Visa free travel to the EU''.
    The so called ''blackmail'' came after the EU not keeping its promises.
    The only one to blame for the refugee crisis is Obama(red lines),go tell him.
    Those Kurds from the YPG(Syrian PKK) are fighting my country,they are our enemies,they want to create ''Greater Kurdistan'' from Turkish/Syrian/Iraqi territories.
    We will never allow that to happen.
     
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    Do you think my government never thought of that?
     

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