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Russia’s MiG-41 Interceptor Aircraft to Be ‘Absolutely New Jet’

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  1. lca-fan

    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Russia’s MiG-41 Interceptor Aircraft to Be ‘Absolutely New Jet’
    Published August 23, 2017 SOURCE: Russian Aviaton

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    Supplies of Russia’s MiG-41 interceptor aircraft, known earlier as the PAK DP, will begin in the mid-2020s, Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG Director General Ilya Tarasenko told reporters at the Army-2017 forum Tuesday.

    According him, MiG-41 will be an “absolutely new jet,” not a modernized version of MiG-31 it would replace.

    “The PAK DP is a logical development of our MiG-31 aircraft. Once contacted by the Defense Ministry, we will take up this project closely and I think that its deliveries will begin in the mid-2020s,” Tarasenko said.

    There is not very much known about the MiG-41 because everything about this plane, just like with all top modern military projects, remains classified. The Mikoyan bureau has been working on the design of a long-range interceptor, based on their MiG-31, since 2013 as part of a plan to replace the ageing fleet of MiG-31 fighter jets whose active service life expires in 2028.

    Even though the MiG-31 is the fastest military aircraft around, it will eventually have to make way for newer and more advanced types of aircraft.

    The main features of the MiG-41 are not yet known, but it is reported that the MiG-41 is designed to fly at Mach 4.0 and even Mach 4.3.

    http://idrw.org/russias-mig-41-interceptor-aircraft-to-be-absolutely-new-jet/ .
     
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    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    bharathp Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    the ruskies are pulling out a rabbit out of the hat. Mach 4.3? they want to fire a brahmos and then chase it/film it until it hits the target :p
     
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    ranadd 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    What is the material choice here? Has the Russians demonstrated mastery over it? Can they scale to market? Or will it be like PAK FA?

    Even for PAK FA, there was India.
     
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    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    They made the MiG-25 and MiG-31, two of the fastest aircraft of their time (and even today). Mikoyan knows what it's doing.

    India didn't do anything for Su-57 or PAK-FA project. We're only paying to develop an India-specific version of the PAK-FA...the RuAF T-50s flying today were developed 100% with Russian expertise and Russian money.
     
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    :rofl:
     
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    defc0n 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    The artwork looks like revamped Mig-21!!
    But Mach 4.3?? These guys want to chase the incoming missiles and shoot them down too :p @bharathp :D
    Initially, I thought I miss-read the figure. Read it thrice to confirm!
     
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    X_Killer Captain FULL MEMBER

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    This is a fan made artwork.
    MiG still need to start design the structure of jet.
     
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    ranadd 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Again. You did not answer the qn or understand the question. I asked about material choices done.

    Precursors to technology should be there. Making a reusable and human rated machine that travels 4 Mach continuously is no small feat. I can also say Mikoyan would burn and wither just like you. But without facts to back it up, no one would agree.

    I am part of this industry. So have maybe 1% more access to non public info. Su 57,as of today is still in EVT/DVT phase. They already had proven technology which they build on for this product. The missile tests are still in EVT phase alone. Today prototyping for a heavy engineering company with proper vision is far easier, thanks to 3D printing and such. Just one tech I am referring to, it does not mean nor quoted for the entire project.

    Producing a 5th Gen on scale, Russia have not mastered this tech yet. Do not confuse that with the protoypes.

    Sukhoi has reduced the RuAF numbers and their order books depend on Indian money a lot.

    Their passenger jet gamble is paying off as well.
     
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    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Mach 4 is too low. You need a minimum of mach 6.
     
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    ranadd 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Continuous speed for manned reusable aircraft by 2030?

    There is not even a single feasible idea out there.

    And the need? Evading missiles? Anti missile suites will mature and catch-up. Easier as well. So then again, the need?
     
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    definitely not for a manned aircraft , drones OK.
     
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    Space plane like X-37B?

    A manned interceptor version or even a Special force transport version could easily be built upon this prototype.
     
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    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Then your question is wrong. Why would you even expect them to reveal their tech or research in that field? That too at this very early stage of development?

    Heck, we don't even know if it'll be manned or unmanned (like SR-72 concept).

    Foxbat from the 60s could cruise at Mach 3. Top speed well above that. As could the SR-71.

    But the thing is, even if there are precursors (R&D projects), how likely are we to know about them, especially if the Russians want to keep such stuff secret?

    Whether you agree or not is irrelevant. The article is saying what the Russian source told them.

    Your point?

    Relax bud, this MiG-41 is probably around a decade away from being in the stage of development that Su-57 is today.

    What exactly is the "tech" of producing 5th gen on large scale?

    As you said yourself, a lot of the 5th gen equipment on Su-57 is already being mass produced on aircraft like Su-35S. The Su-35 has stuff the F-22 doesn't. Su-57 has stuff that neither F-22 nor F-35 does.

    Two important new techs on Su-57 are the airframe (shaped & treated) and in future, the next-gen engine. Agreed the engine is giving Russian industry some problems, but considering the fact that the Izdeliye-30 has technology that can only be found on the future ADVENT (which is nowhere near the level of development as Izd-30, btw) and is far more advanced than F22/F35 engines, that is understandable.

    The airframe? Well I guess we'll find out...the current schedule calls for service induction of first 12 airframes into RuAF starting around next year.

    But it must be remembered that hiccups when dealing with new tech isn't limited to the Russian industry. The US, with it's JSF program, had it's fair share of tech troubles, missed deadlines etc. despite the fact they had already developed a 5th gen jet before the F35.

    From the looks of it, the MiG-41 could have a bit of strategic importance. If they feel they need it, they'll find the money for it.
     
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    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    It's necessary in order to counter the SR-72.

    https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...ls-sr-72-hypersonic-mach-6-scramjet-spy-plane

    I have no idea what's the use of a mach 4 manned fighter.
     

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