Dismiss Notice
Welcome to IDF- Indian Defence Forum , register for free to join this friendly community of defence enthusiastic from around the world. Make your opinion heard and appreciated.

SAAB OFFERS WORLD CLASS SENSOR PACKAGE FOR INDIAN TEJAS LCA

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Agent_47, Apr 4, 2017.

  1. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2011
    Messages:
    2,276
    Likes Received:
    4,079
    Country Flag:
    India
    Source is official. Nothing to do with gripen.

    [​IMG]
     
  2. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2016
    Messages:
    610
    Likes Received:
    567
    Country Flag:
    India
    yes, let Saab bid for EW and AESA tender. We need not pay anything more here because we are going to get one of our own in next 2 years. We can get best technologies from Russia, Israels and France as well. Even US may like to share some as we are all set to get it. When we will be on threshold of getting some technology, they offer us the same to get revenue and cripple our own program.
     
  3. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

    Joined:
    May 3, 2011
    Messages:
    4,521
    Likes Received:
    2,689
    In the long term, but the MK1A seems to get a foreign radar first, with reports confirming EL2052. So Saab is only giving us another option, which logically would increase commonalities if we go for Gripen E.
     
  4. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2016
    Messages:
    610
    Likes Received:
    567
    Country Flag:
    India
    Infact we have issued the tender for AESA and EW. They can bid for that and we shall choose the best.
     
    Sancho likes this.
  5. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2011
    Messages:
    13,019
    Likes Received:
    14,047
    Country Flag:
    India
    Can anyone give the specs of the EW equipment proposed by SAAB.
     
  6. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

    Joined:
    May 3, 2011
    Messages:
    4,521
    Likes Received:
    2,689
    To be honest, I don't think we need the best, since LCA is just a low end fighter. We need it to be capable enough to modern standards, but most importantly be cost-effective to be used in numbers.
    That's why I would be against costly GaN AESA for it's radar or EW, since it's pointless to have that in a low end fighter, while the MKI remains the one with the most powerful radar anyway.
    We failed in radar and engine developments for the fighter so far, but we do have some good experience and know how in indigenous EW capabilities, which is why I would prefer am indigenous EW that's good enough and cost-effective.
     
  7. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2013
    Messages:
    10,068
    Likes Received:
    5,080
    Nobody here will have it. I mean, even the ADA doesn't have it yet. We will have to wait for the competition to start.
     
  8. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

    Joined:
    May 3, 2011
    Messages:
    4,521
    Likes Received:
    2,689
    From the opening article:


    From Saab Infos on Gripen EW:

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]


    RADAR WARNING AND ESM SYSTEM:

    http://saab.com/air/electronic-warfare/radar-warning-receivers/bow/


    Countermeasure dispenser:

    http://saab.com/air/electronic-warf...ystems/bol-advanced-countermeasure-dispenser/


    Towed decoy was replaced with Brite Cloud for the Gripen E I guess, but it's not mentioned for LCA anyway. Couldn't find infos on the ECM pod yet.
     
    Agent_47 and vstol jockey like this.
  9. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2011
    Messages:
    13,019
    Likes Received:
    14,047
    Country Flag:
    India
    I read the info on SAAB website but it is fit to detect and Jam only bands from C/D to I/J. The Typhoon and Rafale ESM can pick up transmission from 100Mhz onwards and Jam from 400Mhz onwards. That makes it a jamming ability from A/B band to well above K band.
     
  10. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

    Joined:
    May 3, 2011
    Messages:
    4,521
    Likes Received:
    2,689
    P.S.

    The Gripe NG / E seems to get a newer version of this pod:

    [​IMG]
     
    Agent_47 likes this.
  11. dadeechi

    dadeechi Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2016
    Messages:
    475
    Likes Received:
    639
    Country Flag:
    India
    Gripen replaces LCA MK2 project not MK1/MK1A
     
    Agent_47 likes this.
  12. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2016
    Messages:
    610
    Likes Received:
    567
    Country Flag:
    India
    How much did GAN Aesa Would cost?

    Parheps you do not know that If we make Tejas Mk2 the way we have planned, It will relive many Medium and heavy fighters from their role for which we are dependent on this fighters and that will be a big cost saving. Something like Gripen E or NG may replace Rafale and even MKIs in many roles. Because of their small size and low serviceability, they can better suited for many roles.
     
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2017
  13. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

    Joined:
    May 3, 2011
    Messages:
    4,521
    Likes Received:
    2,689
    Can't tell you that, reports suggested that they are several times more costlier than GaAs. Eurofighter partners and Rafale doesn't get GaN mainly for cost reason now too.
    Only in CAP roles, where the LCA was meant to replace Mig 21s but couldn't because of delays.
    Capabilitywise however, LCA MK2 is not even capable to compete with Gripen E, because of it's design handy caps, let alone with Rafale or MKI.

    LCA can be a good enough fighter for basic roles and we shold be happy about that, if it''s capable enough some day, but let's not make more out of it, only because it's and indigenous development.
     
  14. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2016
    Messages:
    610
    Likes Received:
    567
    Country Flag:
    India
    That is your problem. You say something but can not substantiate it.
    Can you elaborate which are those Handicaps? It will be a plane with much higher T/W ratio compared to gripen. We can have all best EWs and AESA and still will cost just 60% of what Gripen may cost (70 mn USD).

    Tejas shall have superior T/W ratio. tejas has all agility to match Gripen and with MK1+, it will have comparable Radar and EW and weapons. It may leg behind Gripen in sensor fusion and Newtwork centeric warfare a little bit but Tejas shall be a great value package. With almost 50% increase in range, It can be sent to a lots of missions (not all) where we currently have to send MKI or Rafale because of simple reason that it can meet many of MMRCA criteria.
     
    Dagger likes this.
  15. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

    Joined:
    May 3, 2011
    Messages:
    4,521
    Likes Received:
    2,689
    We talked about the TWR before and that nobody knows MK2s weight, until there is an actual prototype available.

    But that doesn't matter anyway, since LCA handycap is, that it'should designed to be a small light class fighter, which results into size and weaponstation limitations.

    We know from ADA and HAL specboards, that the MK2 will remain with the same number of hardpoints as MK1, because neither the wings, nor the fuselage weaponstations will be redesigned.

    [​IMG]

    That means, LCA MK2 in strike config will remain to look like this:

    [​IMG]

    So whenever LCA carries any strike load at the wings, it won't have weaponstations left to carry BVR missiles, for won't have a credible self defence capability. For any LCA in strike config, we need additional escort fighters in A2A config to protect them. That's similar to what IAF did in 1999 Kargil war with M2Ks or Jags, being protected by other fighters.

    Modern MMRCAs however, have not only the payload capability to carry heavy weapon's but also enough weaponstations, to carry a mixed load with BVR missiles and that reduces the number of fighters needed in a mission.

    Gripen NG's/E's main redesign benefit is, the addition of more weaponstations at the fuselage:

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]


    Rafale in Lybian war, escorting a Mirage 2000, while carrying 3 times the strike load:
    [​IMG]

    An MKI can carry between 5 and 7 of the same LGBs that the LCA carries in the pic above + 2 x BVR and 2 x WVR missiles.

    So LCA will be a good replacement for the Mig 21s, but won't match MMRCA's let alone MKI's performance.
     

Share This Page